Bye Bye PAC-12

It’s really not as surprising as some may think. Bohn has discussed his displeasure with the commissioners going back to Larry Scott. From not prioritizing football , exposure, conference revenue down the line. Bohn has always said going Indy or joining are conference are on the table since taking the AD job. Yes I’m still surprised but the past and current PAC commissioners were well aware of this.
 
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It’s possible you get both. From what I’ve been hearing SC and UCLA may vote to block Oregon and Washington. Because they want Notre Dame and Stanford , or Stanford and Cal if there is more expansion. To keep the Cali rivalries in tact. Wouldn’t be surprising they did ensure Stanford and Cal remained on their schedule. Following the PAC 10 expansion and conference realignment. Stanford and Notre Dame being the ideal additions. Time will tell right now no one really knows anything other than interwebz chatter.
 
See you in h3ll.
I wouldn’t put too much faith in that tweet. I’ve read everything from Oregon going Indy to applying for the SEC….

A lot hinges on what ND can do. I’m really not sure what the complete details are regarding the deal they made with the ACC to play during the Covid year. Heard something saying they couldn’t move for 8 years. Would need a Notre Dame fan to clarify their situation. I am hearing a lot of Stanford and Cal if ND doesn’t or can’t join the B1G. We’ll see in time. Right now expect a million media spins and rumors imo.
 
I wouldn’t put too much faith in that tweet. I’ve read everything from Oregon going Indy to applying for the SEC….

A lot hinges on what ND can do. I’m really not sure what the complete details are regarding the deal they made with the ACC to play during the Covid year. Heard something saying they couldn’t move for 8 years. Would need a Notre Dame fan to clarify their situation. I am hearing a lot of Stanford and Cal if ND doesn’t or can’t join the B1G. We’ll see in time. Right now expect a million media spins and rumors imo.
yep - ND appears to be the wild card -

and if the B10 is waitin on ND,
it sounds like they may only add one more Pac school -
 
yep - ND appears to be the wild card -

and if the B10 is waitin on ND,
it sounds like they may only add one more Pac school -
If the B1G does expand further Notre Dame is clearly at the top of their priority list imo. As far as adding another PAC team packaging ND and Stanford makes the most sense. If they can’t get ND the Stanford and Cal rumors wouldn’t surprise me. Also wouldn’t surprise me if it was Stanford and another university from another conference outside the PAC. ND is definitely the wild card everything hinges on what they do now.

The one thing I can say for sure. This off season has been far from dull.
 
If the B1G does expand further Notre Dame is clearly at the top of their priority list imo. As far as adding another PAC team packaging ND and Stanford makes the most sense. If they can’t get ND the Stanford and Cal rumors wouldn’t surprise me. Also wouldn’t surprise me if it was Stanford and another university from another conference outside the PAC. ND is definitely the wild card everything hinges on what they do now.

The one thing I can say for sure. This off season has been far from dull.
right on -

and another piece of the puzzle
lies with the AZ schools -
do they sit on their thumbs,
or talk with the logical option, the B12 -

with the SEC n B10 both at 16,
it behooves the B12 to make a move -
and if/when the AZ schools make an announcement,
surely Utah would be inclined to follow -
then we'd just need one more school
to get to 16 -
 


So I am the wrong Domer to get on this one. I know I have given this run down before. But since this is kind of a big thing right now. Here is the honesty of it from "Domer Land"

1. ND will never be forced to a conference for money. It is 2022. They have a student body of less than 10k students. And has a 15+ billion dollar endowment. And that is with having not win a natty in decades. Imagine if they were actually real national contenders

2. Their NBC contract the belief is right now around 15 million a year. And they don't have to share broadcasting with basically anyone. Like once a year there is a big golf or tennis something or another that is on the same Saturday. And recently ND has then pushed the broadcast to NBC streaming channel peacock. And it is heavily believed that ND gets a bigger piece of their pie in years that, that happens.

3. Their NBC contract is up in 2025. Look at it from the ND point of view. You have a fresh new HC and a ton of buzz in your program. You don't know if you have the next Charlie Weis type or the next Kirby Smart / Dabo type. But being indy and getting ready go start the negotiations for the NBC renewal with Fox just begging to steal ND away. They are going to get a big boost on the next contract. So again. Money is not going to steer the ship. ND is vastly more financially secure than almost any other P5 school in the country.

4. The ACC is a Clemson or FSU away from folding. There is no other big school to carry the flag in the conference. FSU could use money. They ain't poor. But covid was a reality shot for them. As it was for a lot of schools around the country that were operationally over leveraged and not prepared to have their stadiums closed and lose all that revenue. If ND wanted to join a conference. And I'm not being an asshole they could literally just write a contract with almost any dollar value on it. Give it to the ACC and they would say yes. It would publicly be a fight. But behind the scenes the commish would go down on Jack Swarbrick if he joined the conference full time.

5. The historical rivalries we love and the history in college football is going to die. If not in 5 years. Then within 15. You will see the conferences enmasse fold. And the NCAA go away and a new model emerge. Most likely anchored by the B1G and the SEC. ND and the B1G have had bad blood since our grandfather's fathers were kids. ND almost can't accept membership at this point. The fuel of the fan base is the hatred of that conference. I know that sounds petty. But you can ask almost any ND fan around. And they will give the same version of the answer that is. "Only if Michigan isn't there". It is petty. We don't give a fuck. And at this point. It has been such a big deal for so long. That accepting the membership to tye B1G would kill the program. Because every time ND didn't win a game or win the conference of whatever. It would be a never ending drumbeat of "you thought you were too good for a conference".

6. Lastly. If you put a gun to ND and said pick now or else. B1G or SEC. They wouldn't think for 2 seconds. It would be SEC. Better recruiting, better conference, better games. Better pay. Just better. There isn't a big time recruit in the north that ND isn't already a player for. I know it is super early and rankings don't matter. But in tye 23 and even the 24 cycle. ND is in the top 3 classes. Compare that to Michigan. After winning their conference and going to the playoff isn't in the top 25. And hasn't beaten ND for a single 23 or 24 recruit that had offers from both. Putting ND into the B1G makes them a regional school. And in 10 years they will be the next Penn St model. Of who the hell cares. Not a knock on PSU. But it is what it is.

Sorry. Sitting here bored to shit watching a movie I don't want to watch with the family. And had time to type.
 
I wouldn’t put too much faith in that tweet. I’ve read everything from Oregon going Indy to applying for the SEC….

A lot hinges on what ND can do. I’m really not sure what the complete details are regarding the deal they made with the ACC to play during the Covid year. Heard something saying they couldn’t move for 8 years. Would need a Notre Dame fan to clarify their situation. I am hearing a lot of Stanford and Cal if ND doesn’t or can’t join the B1G. We’ll see in time. Right now expect a million media spins and rumors imo.
Stanford, Cal and UCLA: 'I'll take name three college football venues that get less attendance than a Joe Biden rally for $500 Alex.'
 
right on -

and another piece of the puzzle
lies with the AZ schools -
do they sit on their thumbs,
or talk with the logical option, the B12 -

with the SEC n B10 both at 16,
it behooves the B12 to make a move -
and if/when the AZ schools make an announcement,
surely Utah would be inclined to follow -
then we'd just need one more school
to get to 16 -
I was thinking the AZ schools Utah and Colorado to the Big XII could be good possibility. But at this point anything is possible. For all we know the B1G could potentially add ND and Pitt which would open up a while other can of worms with the ACC .Nothing would surprise me at this point
 
So I am the wrong Domer to get on this one. I know I have given this run down before. But since this is kind of a big thing right now. Here is the honesty of it from "Domer Land"

1. ND will never be forced to a conference for money. It is 2022. They have a student body of less than 10k students. And has a 15+ billion dollar endowment. And that is with having not win a natty in decades. Imagine if they were actually real national contenders

2. Their NBC contract the belief is right now around 15 million a year. And they don't have to share broadcasting with basically anyone. Like once a year there is a big golf or tennis something or another that is on the same Saturday. And recently ND has then pushed the broadcast to NBC streaming channel peacock. And it is heavily believed that ND gets a bigger piece of their pie in years that, that happens.

3. Their NBC contract is up in 2025. Look at it from the ND point of view. You have a fresh new HC and a ton of buzz in your program. You don't know if you have the next Charlie Weis type or the next Kirby Smart / Dabo type. But being indy and getting ready go start the negotiations for the NBC renewal with Fox just begging to steal ND away. They are going to get a big boost on the next contract. So again. Money is not going to steer the ship. ND is vastly more financially secure than almost any other P5 school in the country.

4. The ACC is a Clemson or FSU away from folding. There is no other big school to carry the flag in the conference. FSU could use money. They ain't poor. But covid was a reality shot for them. As it was for a lot of schools around the country that were operationally over leveraged and not prepared to have their stadiums closed and lose all that revenue. If ND wanted to join a conference. And I'm not being an asshole they could literally just write a contract with almost any dollar value on it. Give it to the ACC and they would say yes. It would publicly be a fight. But behind the scenes the commish would go down on Jack Swarbrick if he joined the conference full time.

5. The historical rivalries we love and the history in college football is going to die. If not in 5 years. Then within 15. You will see the conferences enmasse fold. And the NCAA go away and a new model emerge. Most likely anchored by the B1G and the SEC. ND and the B1G have had bad blood since our grandfather's fathers were kids. ND almost can't accept membership at this point. The fuel of the fan base is the hatred of that conference. I know that sounds petty. But you can ask almost any ND fan around. And they will give the same version of the answer that is. "Only if Michigan isn't there". It is petty. We don't give a fuck. And at this point. It has been such a big deal for so long. That accepting the membership to tye B1G would kill the program. Because every time ND didn't win a game or win the conference of whatever. It would be a never ending drumbeat of "you thought you were too good for a conference".

6. Lastly. If you put a gun to ND and said pick now or else. B1G or SEC. They wouldn't think for 2 seconds. It would be SEC. Better recruiting, better conference, better games. Better pay. Just better. There isn't a big time recruit in the north that ND isn't already a player for. I know it is super early and rankings don't matter. But in tye 23 and even the 24 cycle. ND is in the top 3 classes. Compare that to Michigan. After winning their conference and going to the playoff isn't in the top 25. And hasn't beaten ND for a single 23 or 24 recruit that had offers from both. Putting ND into the B1G makes them a regional school. And in 10 years they will be the next Penn St model. Of who the hell cares. Not a knock on PSU. But it is what it is.

Sorry. Sitting here bored to shit watching a movie I don't want to watch with the family. And had time to type.

So what happens when the super conferences happen and ND decides to stay independent........and nobody wants to play them any more?
 
So what happens when the super conferences happen and ND decides to stay independent........and nobody wants to play them any more?

That will be the only way you get ND to pony up to a conference. Find a way to freeze them out of the possibility of playing for a championship without it. It is the same way that got ND to play in the post season all that way back when.

Again. I'm the wrong Domer to get too far into this. Because I don't personally have a problem with ND being in a conference. However. I don't want it to be the B1G. I also don't want them to conference up just because it is the vogue thing to do. If they pick one. It needs to be what is in the best interests for ND. And the midwest conference ain't it. And neither is the conference that is a heartbeat away from not having a heartbeat (ACC)
 
Notre Dame is not going to the B1G. Entrance requirements include AAU membership. The B1G academic alliance is worth billions. The ~100 AAU members suck up +60% of federal research money...
 
Notre Dame is not going to the B1G. Entrance requirements include AAU membership. The B1G academic alliance is worth billions. The ~100 AAU members suck up +60% of federal research money...

If I am not mistaken Nebraska was expelled from the AAU. Also fairly certain the B1G has stated Notre Dame would be the one exception to their AAU entrance requirement regarding expansion.

I don’t see money being an issue from what I’ve seen between FOX, CBS and now Apple re-emerging the mix with Amazon, ESPN and NBC. This is looking like an extremely large media/TV deal on the horizon. Personally I really want to see ND join. But in the end it come down to what ND can or wants to do imo.Still not sure what was involved in the ND ACC deal to play in the ACC football conference during the Covid year.
 
If I am not mistaken Nebraska was expelled from the AAU. Also fairly certain the B1G has stated Notre
Notre Dame is not going to the B1G. Entrance requirements include AAU membership. The B1G academic alliance is worth billions. The ~100 AAU members suck up +60% of federal research money...

In 99 ND came within a trustee vote on the ND side of joining. They weren't in the AAU then either. ND is the ultimate bartering chip. And I really thought it was going to happen then.
 
Regarding the AAU stuff, the B1G has said it would make an exception for ND. The AAU is basically graduate level research, which isn’t something that ND does much of, but their faculty and admin want access to it.

As for Nebraska, they were admitted to the AAU, and subsequently to the B1G. Soon after Michigan and Wisconsin petitioned the AAU to kick them out of the AAU, citing the fact that the medical research wasn’t done on the main campus, or some similar technicality. It was a very weird flex, and a bit douchey, I still don’t know what the purpose of it was.
 
I wouldn’t put too much faith in that tweet. I’ve read everything from Oregon going Indy to applying for the SEC….

A lot hinges on what ND can do. I’m really not sure what the complete details are regarding the deal they made with the ACC to play during the Covid year. Heard something saying they couldn’t move for 8 years. Would need a Notre Dame fan to clarify their situation. I am hearing a lot of Stanford and Cal if ND doesn’t or can’t join the B1G. We’ll see in time. Right now expect a million media spins and rumors imo.

It's a Big Ten insider that previously broke the Maryland to the Big Ten move. USC and UCLA don't have the ability to block anyone. If FOX says it's ND and Oregon, that's what it will be.
 
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