Thoughts on Nick Fuentes?

So, (and correct me if I am wrong) he made a tasteless metaphor and as you're saying, given it's timeline context, it demonstrates he hates Jews, generally, not just Israeli politics?
You are welcome to believe any redeeming loophole that accommodates a sliver of plausibility that he isnt an antisemite. You do not need my approval, and being categorically wrong is your right. But lets stop the charade about israeli vs jewish. Its no coincidence why he has latched on to Kanye West, they both don't like jews, and israel is just a convenient cover story. Their argument is that jews control the world, not Benjamin Netanyahu, Likud or any other political faction of Israel.
 
You are welcome to believe any redeeming loophole that accommodates a sliver of plausibility that he isnt an antisemite. You do not need my approval, and being categorically wrong is your right. But lets stop the charade about israeli vs jewish. Its no coincidence why he has latched on to Kanye West, they both don't like jews, and israel is just a convenient cover story. Their argument is that jews control the world, not Benjamin Netanyahu, Likud or any other political faction of Israel.
Le sigh. Again, you don't know me. Nor I you, except through a few context clues...a terrible user name, a great avatar, but the audacity not to recognize Stannis as the rightful one true King of Westeros. My question about Fuentes is a genuine one: is he yet another unfairly maligned and vilified young voice of reason on the right, carrying all the classical labels to be nipped in the bud with them, to silence him before he spreads, OR is he a genuine racist/bigot?

I never paid him any mind despite listening to hours of political influencers every day. I'd wager that I could name more alt-media personalities than anyone on this site, or you. But I always ignored or dismissed Fuentes because those I like, even the most castigated among them, also seemed to. Ignored at the very least. And it was that way for several years....but in the last 6 months or so it seems, despite all the efforts, his star profile has risen. He was beginning to be platformed by the likes of Tucker, Candace, and several others. And yet, afterwards, despite coming off, imo, as reasonable and fair, respectful and well spoken...maybe a tag smug, but able to rationally defend every opinion or assertion, he was condemned by those very same types. But despite that, I began to sample his work, and again, I find him to be fair. And yet the system clearly hates him, which is a mark in his favor, but so many of my favorite right wing pundits hate him, seemingly, too. Yet, HE (Fuentes) claims Milo, Owens, Carlson, etc etc are actually government agents or in league with the feds...and he has receipts - so I genuinely don't know what to think and thought I'd ask people here are most here are rational. I mean I knew I sample more stuff than any of them (to their credit, if anything), but would take their opinions to heart at least. Most know little and far less than I, and I don't know enough yet to draw a clear opinion. YOU have no credit in my book (that's no criticism, I just don't know you), but had a strong opinion, and when I've politely pressed you for detail/clarification, you have responded condescendingly and arrogantly, and that doesn't get you far with me.

From what I have seen so far, his "hatred" of Jews is his criticism of zionism/Israel and their hypocrisy, extreme control, dishonestly, abuses of power, self superiority, blackmail etc. If someone hates a person of another race due to immutable characteristics, they're a bigot. If they are highly critical of people of a particular race for actions such as culture, behavior, ideology, etc, then that is fair.
 
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Le sigh. Again, you don't know me. Nor I you, except through a few context clues...a terrible user name, a great avatar, but the audacity not to recognize Stannis as the rightful one true King of Westeros. My question about Fuentes is a genuine one: is he yet another unfairly maligned and vilified young voice of reason on the right, carrying all the classical labels to be nipped in the bud with them, to silence him before he spreads, OR is he a genuine racist/bigot?

I never paid him any mind despite listening to hours of political influencers every day. I'd wager that I could name more alt-media personalities than anyone on this site, or you. But I always ignored or dismissed Fuentes because those I like, even the most castigated among them, also seemed to. Ignored at the very least. And it was that way for several years....but in the last 6 months or so it seems, despite all the efforts, his star profile has risen. He was beginning to be platformed by the likes of Tucker, Candace, and several others. And yet, afterwards, despite coming off, imo, as reasonable and fair, respectful and well spoken...maybe a tag smug, but able to rationally defend every opinion or assertion, he was condemned by those very same types. But despite that, I began to sample his work, and again, I find him to be fair. And yet the system clearly hates him, which is a mark in his favor, but so many of my favorite right wing pundits hate him, seemingly, too. Yet, HE (Fuentes) claims Milo, Owens, Carlson, etc etc are actually government agents or in league with the feds...and he has receipts - so I genuinely don't know what to think and thought I'd ask people here are most here are rational. I mean I knew I sample more stuff than any of them (to their credit, if anything), but would take their opinions to heart at least. Most know little and far less than I, and I don't know enough yet to draw a clear opinion. YOU have no credit in my book (that's no criticism, I just don't know you), but had a strong opinion, and when I've politely pressed you for detail/clarification, you have responded condescendingly and arrogantly, and that doesn't get you far with me.

From what I have seen so far, his "hatred" of Jews is his criticism of zionism/Israel and their hypocrisy, extreme control, dishonestly, abuses of power, self superiority, blackmail etc. If someone hates a person of another race due to immutable characteristics, they're a bigot. If they are highly critical of people of a particular race for actions such as culture, behavior, ideology, etc, then that is fair.
I appreciate you sharing your thoughts openly—let’s keep this civil. From what I’ve seen, Fuentes promotes Holocaust denial, white supremacy, and calls for violence against Jews and non-Christians, going far beyond criticizing Zionism. His accusations against Carlson, Owens, and others as “feds” seem more like infighting among alt-media personalities, not solid evidence. It’s worth digging deeper yourself, but his bigotry is well-documented and disqualifying to the majority of rational people.
 
I appreciate you sharing your thoughts openly—let’s keep this civil.
More than happy to keep it civil. Believe it or not I always do unless someone else slings first. I appreciate the response.
From what I’ve seen, Fuentes promotes Holocaust denial, white supremacy, and calls for violence against Jews and non-Christians, going far beyond criticizing Zionism.
Have you actually seen that, or is this like, surmising and generalizations (based off some thoughts that are either taken out of context or, hyperbolized? Genuinely asking, I'll take you at your word. Again I've only recently started listening to him, and so, for example, I don't see where he is a white supremacist - but I also profess I a m only starting to listen to him, and I listen to so much, fitting MORE content in usually means having to sacrifice someone else. I often rotate between people depending on subject matter or story, as some are better suited for topics than others. From what I saw of Fuentes on race he seems to believe that blacks (American anyway) are of a lower IQ. But, that is actually generally true. AN uncomfortable truth, but one none the less. Now it can be debated the cause of that, or the ramifications, but he doesn't seem to harbor hatred or bigotry in saying it, he genuinely seems somewhat sympathetic, but pragmatic and blunt when necessary, in addressing or acknowledging it. Now, that can be chalked up to "white supremacy", but, why? Are we to deny it just because it makes us uncomfortable?

I am unfamiliar with his calls for violence against Jews or non-Christians, but if he is liyterally just calling for violence against them, then, that is inexcusable. I would have to see or hear that, and make sure there is not missing context, like, "Europeans must take back their countries by force before they've been entirely replaced by Islamists." (just as an example)
His accusations against Carlson, Owens, and others as “feds” seem more like infighting among alt-media personalities, not solid evidence.
That was my initial thought too, and it kills me the right always seems to turn on itself. The left can hate one another but they will all fake it and get along for the greater agenda (but will work in lockstep when they collectively excommunicate one of their own, ex: Musk), where are the right turn on one another, entirely, for a slight difference on an aspect of a single issue. That said, I dunno if Candace or Milo are feds but Nick showed TEXT MESSAGES between he and Milo right before (day before) and after January 6th where Milo was warned by feds not to be there or participate, as in, "stay away from the psyop we have planned". Not HARD evidence, but....more than circumstantial.
It’s worth digging deeper yourself, but his bigotry is well-documented and disqualifying to the majority of rational people.
I will dig a bit deeper before deciding if he is worth listening to, or writing off as a bigot. I loathe bigots. But, (and this isn't directed at you, but the tactic/logic in general) as most people agree and find true bigotry disqualifying, it far too often gets misused as a label to silence individuals who say things too dangerous or controversial for the system.
 
More than happy to keep it civil. Believe it or not I always do unless someone else slings first. I appreciate the response.

Have you actually seen that, or is this like, surmising and generalizations (based off some thoughts that are either taken out of context or, hyperbolized? Genuinely asking, I'll take you at your word. Again I've only recently started listening to him, and so, for example, I don't see where he is a white supremacist - but I also profess I a m only starting to listen to him, and I listen to so much, fitting MORE content in usually means having to sacrifice someone else. I often rotate between people depending on subject matter or story, as some are better suited for topics than others. From what I saw of Fuentes on race he seems to believe that blacks (American anyway) are of a lower IQ. But, that is actually generally true. AN uncomfortable truth, but one none the less. Now it can be debated the cause of that, or the ramifications, but he doesn't seem to harbor hatred or bigotry in saying it, he genuinely seems somewhat sympathetic, but pragmatic and blunt when necessary, in addressing or acknowledging it. Now, that can be chalked up to "white supremacy", but, why? Are we to deny it just because it makes us uncomfortable?

I am unfamiliar with his calls for violence against Jews or non-Christians, but if he is liyterally just calling for violence against them, then, that is inexcusable. I would have to see or hear that, and make sure there is not missing context, like, "Europeans must take back their countries by force before they've been entirely replaced by Islamists." (just as an example)

That was my initial thought too, and it kills me the right always seems to turn on itself. The left can hate one another but they will all fake it and get along for the greater agenda (but will work in lockstep when they collectively excommunicate one of their own, ex: Musk), where are the right turn on one another, entirely, for a slight difference on an aspect of a single issue. That said, I dunno if Candace or Milo are feds but Nick showed TEXT MESSAGES between he and Milo right before (day before) and after January 6th where Milo was warned by feds not to be there or participate, as in, "stay away from the psyop we have planned". Not HARD evidence, but....more than circumstantial.

I will dig a bit deeper before deciding if he is worth listening to, or writing off as a bigot. I loathe bigots. But, (and this isn't directed at you, but the tactic/logic in general) as most people agree and find true bigotry disqualifying, it far too often gets misused as a label to silence individuals who say things too dangerous or controversial for the system.


I first came across Fuentes on Twitch he was pretty young probably under 20. He carried himself well and spoke very well, with a seemingly natural comfort in front of the camera. Intriguing, in light of the what appeared to be the majority of youth, having been drugged by socialism during the educational process.

When I mentioned a metaphorical account of the holocaust from Fuentes, it was all about denial of the holocaust, his contention was that the ovens didn't have the fuel or cycle time to burn 6 million jews during all the concentration camps operation. Nick was using the cookies metaphor to avoid being banned on twitch.

I don't really care for his trying to distinguish between zionist and jew, especially while advancing an argument that implies that the Nazis also were distinguishing between Zionists and Jews. The facts is that they weren't… they just gassed them based upon the camps current labor capacity.

When denying the holocaust, it isnt about denying anything but the level of its wrongness the perpetrators exhibited.

If ya want a good topic to argue about… why does the USA need to have 16 major Holocaust museums in these cities:
Washington, D.C.
New York City, NY
Los Angeles, CA
Chicago, IL
Houston, TX
Dallas, TX
St. Louis, MO
Detroit, MI
Richmond, VA
Philadelphia, PA
Boston, MA
San Francisco, CA
Seattle, WA
Portland, OR
St. Petersburg, FL
Atlanta, GA

I totally get that they are privately funded and owned, but cmon man…
 
I first came across Fuentes on Twitch he was pretty young probably under 20. He carried himself well and spoke very well, with a seemingly natural comfort in front of the camera. Intriguing, in light of the what appeared to be the majority of youth, having been drugged by socialism during the educational process.

When I mentioned a metaphorical account of the holocaust from Fuentes, it was all about denial of the holocaust, his contention was that the ovens didn't have the fuel or cycle time to burn 6 million jews during all the concentration camps operation. Nick was using the cookies metaphor to avoid being banned on twitch.

I don't really care for his trying to distinguish between zionist and jew, especially while advancing an argument that implies that the Nazis also were distinguishing between Zionists and Jews. The facts is that they weren't… they just gassed them based upon the camps current labor capacity.

When denying the holocaust, it isnt about denying anything but the level of its wrongness the perpetrators exhibited.

If ya want a good topic to argue about… why does the USA need to have 16 major Holocaust museums in these cities:
Washington, D.C.
New York City, NY
Los Angeles, CA
Chicago, IL
Houston, TX
Dallas, TX
St. Louis, MO
Detroit, MI
Richmond, VA
Philadelphia, PA
Boston, MA
San Francisco, CA
Seattle, WA
Portland, OR
St. Petersburg, FL
Atlanta, GA

I totally get that they are privately funded and owned, but cmon man…
Not all Jews died in the camps nor were cremated in ovens. The first part of the Holocaust was called 'Holocaust by bullets' and those Jews were buried in pits and natural ravines.

Examples:


 
Not all Jews died in the camps nor were cremated in ovens. The first part of the Holocaust was called 'Holocaust by bullets' and those Jews were buried in pits and natural ravines.

Examples:


I believe his position was along the lines of; the mass graves and the ovens full capacity together do not come close to 6 million ‘cookies’.
 
I believe his position was along the lines of; the mass graves and the ovens full capacity together do not come close to 6 million ‘cookies’.
I am not saying he's right, but I find it....alarming that you cannot even QUESTION the numbers without it being considered criminal.
 
Whats your end game? If it was only 1 million was it less wrong to do?
No endgame. I believe it was 6 million, because that is what I was taught, and currently have no reason to doubt it, save it being off slightly, but, not greatly. I am saying, however, making it CRIMINAL to deny is - in any capacity- is problematic.
 
No endgame. I believe it was 6 million, because that is what I was taught, and currently have no reason to doubt it, save it being off slightly, but, not greatly. I am saying, however, making it CRIMINAL to deny is - in any capacity- is problematic.
Its not criminal, its socially unacceptable. Which is a huge difference.
 
Currently it is socially unacceptable, but they're trying to MAKE it illegal.
Fuck those libtards. Hate speech is free speech according to the Scotus. As long as you aren't trying to intimidate someone with hate speech you are protected by the 1st. The moment you target someone specific it can lead to ethnic intimidation charges all the up to civil rights violations.
 
A lot of people comment about the Holocaust but how many of them take the time to look into the Holocaust such as why it happened to begin with and I'm including the eastern Europeans who partook in the killings.
 
A lot of people comment about the Holocaust but how many of them take the time to look into the Holocaust such as why it happened to begin with and I'm including the eastern Europeans who partook in the killings.
According to neo-nazis, jews were persecuted in germany because of their relentless pushing of ideals not shared by the christian majority, ideals which were blamed for social degradation ie: (pornography and homosexuality). This is still echoed today with neo-nazis drawing parallels between the Berlin theatre and Hollywood, claiming they are just repeating the process. The banking institutions are also considered to be driving factors in exerting control over host nations. There are also insularity and supremacy dynamics, today these accusation often backed up by recordings of random rabbis saying ‘naziesque’ type shit about non-jews.
 
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