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Toadman005 said:
Because I don't think I am wrong. I used to be very much an Israeli supporter. I've changed my mind over the past seevral years based off of observance, and, educating myself, and realizing how propagandized I was.

Despite my criticism of them, it is purely due to their actions. I still fundamentally believe Israel (the country) has a right to exist. And Lord knows I sympathize with them being surrounded by savages. I simply am disgusted by their belief in their own supremacy, their lies, their violence, their influence, manipulation and blackmail, and their propaganda, gaslighting, and hypocrisy.
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I neither love or hate ANY country that isn't the United States. We are all humans, evil exists within the individual not within the whole. You hating an entire country makes no logical sense.
 
justanotherbuckeye said:
I would've hated Nazi's not Germans...................you really don't get that all Germans weren't Nazi's?
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Of course I get that. I do not hate every single Israeli person. But the government is composed of people that make evil decisions and enact evil policies and act maliciously and dishonestly towards Americans and Christians. Hence, I hate it.
 
justanotherbuckeye said:
Stop being such a victim. Israel doesn't run my life or my families life, I don't have any ill will toward them because they don't bother me.
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I never claimed to be a victim. Stop strawmanning.

If you have no ill will towards a government that does evil things, and lies, and steals, and thinks themselves superior to you, that is your choice, debatably noble, and you're entitled to it. I do think it's borne from a place if ignorance. Please note, I am not calling you ignorant, or trying to insult in any way...I am saying I believe you do not know the extent of Israeli atrocities, their influence or propaganda, their malicious -or at least, self serving and counter to American -intentions, and the degree to which they affect your and yours.

I would ask, however, if you want to engage me (i know you'd be civil) on the issue/topic, you be able to do so, rather than essentially saying "aww, be nice" and then making obtuse and benign counter arguments. I am not suggesting going down a rabbit hole...and I am not gonna try and persuade you to thinking of them as I now do (for several reasons), but I would ask you take a more critical and observant eye towards them. I guarantee they will ruin this very tentative (and admittedly, controversial) peace deal. If and when they do, I am not asking you to condemn them, merely, step back and consider all angles before rushing to defend WHY they do it (especially from an American perspective, or repeat whatever excuse they give when they do.
 
Toadman005 said:
I never claimed to be a victim. Stop strawmanning.

If you have no ill will towards a government that does evil things, and lies, and steals, and thinks themselves superior to you, that is your choice, debatably noble, and you're entitled to it. I do think it's borne from a place if ignorance. Please note, I am not calling you ignorant, or trying to insult in any way...I am saying I believe you do not know the extent of Israeli atrocities, their influence or propaganda, their malicious -or at least, self serving and counter to American -intentions, and the degree to which they affect your and yours.

I would ask, however, if you want to engage me (i know you'd be civil) on the issue/topic, you be able to do so, rather than essentially saying "aww, be nice" and then making obtuse and benign counter arguments. I am not suggesting going down a rabbit hole...and I am not gonna try and persuade you to thinking of them as I now do (for several reasons), but I would ask you take a more critical and observant eye towards them. I guarantee they will ruin this very tentative (and admittedly, controversial) peace deal. If and when they do, I am not asking you to condemn them, merely, step back and consider all angles before rushing to defend WHY they do it (especially from an American perspective, or repeat whatever excuse they give when they do.
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Brother, you have an unnatural hatred of a country you neither live in or are affected by. How do you logically equate that in your head?
 
justanotherbuckeye said:
Brother, you have an unnatural hatred of a country you neither live in or are affected by. How do you logically equate that in your head?
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I don't have to live a place to resent it, and it does affect me. You don't see it, or, don't agree that it should determine my opinion of them. As I say you are entitled to your opinion, but it doesn't give you the authority to dismiss mine.
 
Toadman005 said:
I don't have to live a place to resent it, and it does affect me. You don't see it, or, don't agree that it should determine my opinion of them. As I say you are entitled to your opinion, but it doesn't give you the authority to dismiss mine.
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Hatred can be used to help crystalize one's drive and purpose...............................what is your hatred for Israel helping you drive toward?
 
justanotherbuckeye said:
Hatred can be used to help crystalize one's drive and purpose...............................what is your hatred for Israel helping you drive toward?
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TBH hatred is not even the most appropriate word. Just the easiest to use.

Let me ask you, why does my (valid) criticism of Israel bother you so much, to the point of continued commenting on it?

I am genuinely asking.

I will elaborate upon reply.
 
HuskerBrick said:

You'll get there when you can finally admit that the only reason we have such a huge problem with Islam is boiled down to one single simple fact that is we are Israel's proxys in the Middle East. When Iran's proxys were hitting our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan it was simply targeting Israel's proxys.
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You know I have my issues with Israel, but, I think Islam would be a problem even without them.
 
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