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FrankyVols said:
Biden, Harris and Warren are certainly viable. I think it'll be a razor thin margin again, coming down to a few key areas in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Florida. Also, a few other reasons--continued fallout from this bizarre trade war that Republicans used to be against (can you imagine how Obama would be railed if he kept saying we're making money off tarriffs?), and the fact he keeps making embarrassing gaffes. Like each and every day.

Tennessee is safely Trump, as you know, but I have extended family who farm, and they're starting to really feel the pinch. And the reality is, if Trump needs to do another subsidy, that'll probably piss off a whole other group of people.

www.cnbc.com

'Trump is ruining our markets': Struggling farmers are losing a huge customer to the trade war — China

China's exit piles on to a devastating year for farmers, who've struggled through record flooding and droughts that destroyed crop yields, and trade war escalations that have lowered prices and profits down this year.
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Bwahaha! Please! Gabbard is the only one who'd honestly be a threat to Trump but she's far too moderate for your side, and has been sabotaged. She eviscerated Harris, who, let's face it, despite her identity (and desperation to use it) will never command the black vote. Warren would get thumb wrecked by Trump. Biden doesn't even have Obama's endorsement, and he keeps stepping on his own dick with gauffes like the one yesterday, to say nothing of his past, his creepiness, and the fact that an old white guy is off putting to your radicals. Pete Buttigige could possibly be viable, but, he's got literally 0.00% of the black vote, so, good luck there. Trump will rewin every state he won in 2016. He may not ad another, but, he will improve in the electoral and possibly win it. The media downplays his popularity in their desperation. Trump is winning the trade war. Sucks that people suffer but, that is the harsh reality of doing what's necessary.

As for your family, tell them to learn to code, am I right?
 
FrankyVols said:
That's just not true. See Martha Stewart. And 50 million other legal "experts" that answered this 50 million times when released. Proving intent is the tough piece with an obstruction case.

Edit: See this summary from Politifact. But all this is a waste of time man. The election is how we should judge this piece of shit.

Obstruction of a non-crime?
Legal experts told us that a president (or anyone) could still be prosecuted for obstructing justice if they believed they might be prosecuted — even if they ultimately never are.
"You can obstruct justice even if a prosecutor ultimately finds you were not guilty of committing the crime that was the focus of the underlying investigation," said Miriam Baer, a professor at Brooklyn Law School. "Even if a prosecutor ultimately concluded that you weren’t guilty of crime X, that says nothing as to whether you thought that you might be indicted for crime X, or, for that matter, if you thought one of your friends of family members would be indicted for crime X."
Eric Posner, a professor at the University of Chicago Law School, agreed that an obstruction prosecution could have been argued in this case.
"Suppose Trump knew that no crime had been committed but believed that the investigation would uncover politically or personally embarrassing information, or if he believed that the investigation would embarrass or implicate an ally, aide, or family member," Posner said. "Then interfering with the investigation is a crime. The reason is that the purpose of the investigation is to find the truth, and if people obstruct an investigation, then the investigation becomes more difficult, wasting government resources."
That said, an obstruction case is naturally going to be stronger if there is an underlying crime that’s being prosecuted, said Ric Simmons, a professor at the Ohio State University Moritz College of Law.
It is "technically possible, but the legal and practical challenges in winning such an obstruction case would be great," Simmons said. "A prosecutor would have to prove that the president believed there was a collusion case ‘contemplated’ against him even when he did not engage in collusion. That is theoretically possible, but hard to prove to a jury."
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Lots of words. Still changes nothing. Trump committed no crime, and Trump in no way hindered the bullshit investigation into a fabricated conspiracy against him, perpetuated by the MSM.
 
Toadman005 said:
Bwahaha! Please! Gabbard is the only one who'd honestly be a threat to Trump but she's far too moderate for your side, and has been sabotaged. She eviscerated Harris, who, let's face it, despite her identity (and desperation to use it) will never command the black vote. Warren would get thumb wrecked by Trump. Biden doesn't even have Obama's endorsement, and he keeps stepping on his own dick with gauffes like the one yesterday, to say nothing of his past, his creepiness, and the fact that an old white guy is off putting to your radicals. Pete Buttigige could possibly be viable, but, he's got literally 0.00% of the black vote, so, good luck there. Trump will rewin every state he won in 2016. He may not ad another, but, he will improve in the electoral and possibly win it. The media downplays his popularity in their desperation. Trump is winning the trade war. Sucks that people suffer but, that is the harsh reality of doing what's necessary.

As for your family, tell them to learn to code, am I right?
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This is the centrist I remember!
 
“We’re living in a time of media-driven ideological warfare. If you believe your side is 100% right and the other side is 100% wrong, then you are exactly where they want you to be. Though I lean right of center, I believe there are flaws and merits in all ideologies. We need to get away from the vitriol and name calling and back to discussion and realizing we have a common enemy which is the corporate media and corrupt politicians in DC that have been lying to us for decades. I know exceptionally intelligent and rational beings on the right, the left, and in the middle. I’m not trying to bait a long-winded, unproductive and divisive shitshow of a thread... (please, just don’t)... but I’m just stating my opinion that we could all cool down a bit. I’m not gonna change your mind and you’re not gonna change mine. We’re all on our unique paths and want what we believe is best for our country. Sadly, in today’s political climate, it will probably get worse before it gets better but we will eventually find common ground I hope. I don’t believe in the words trumptard or libtard. It’s childish! I don’t believe most conservatives are racist white supremacists and that most liberals are Communists who hate America. Most of us are decent folks. This madness needs to simmer down! We’re not as different as we’re being led to believe. Peace and love to all of you!! Like it or don’t like it, I’m just saying “what’s on my mind” today. #lovewins #unitedwestand” -septimusgreen
 
FrankyVols said:
I honestly thought that was the purpose of the "Pit of Misery," which was the politics thread on Rivals.
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SnakeIdol said:
Biden, Harris and Warren are certainly viable....
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No clever meme or gif, or whatever the F that is, will change the fact that three of the top 4 leading Democratic candidates do in fact represent "viable candidates" for the Presidency. I sure hope everyone on the Republican side is as confident as you and Toad. How big of a landslide are we talking about here? Will this be like Reagan vs. Mondale?
 
If you like to keep score, here's the change in Dow Jones Industrial Average from Inauguration Day to Aug 12 of their 3rd year in the White House:



GHWB: +34.2%

Clinton: +42.4%

GWB: -11.9%

Obama: +41.7%

Trump: +30.1%
 
Toadman005 said:
Bwahaha! Please! Gabbard is the only one who'd honestly be a threat to Trump but she's far too moderate for your side, and has been sabotaged. She eviscerated Harris, who, let's face it, despite her identity (and desperation to use it) will never command the black vote. Warren would get thumb wrecked by Trump. Biden doesn't even have Obama's endorsement, and he keeps stepping on his own dick with gauffes like the one yesterday, to say nothing of his past, his creepiness, and the fact that an old white guy is off putting to your radicals. Pete Buttigige could possibly be viable, but, he's got literally 0.00% of the black vote, so, good luck there. Trump will rewin every state he won in 2016. He may not ad another, but, he will improve in the electoral and possibly win it. The media downplays his popularity in their desperation. Trump is winning the trade war. Sucks that people suffer but, that is the harsh reality of doing what's necessary.

As for your family, tell them to learn to code, am I right?
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Buttplug has no chance.
 
FrankyVols said:
No clever meme or gif, or whatever the F that is, will change the fact that three of the top 4 leading Democratic candidates do in fact represent "viable candidates" for the Presidency. I sure hope everyone on the Republican side is as confident as you and Toad. How big of a landslide are we talking about here? Will this be like Reagan vs. Mondale?
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Honestly, it doesn't matter. I'd like to see Trump win just for the meltdown, but I wouldn't consider me a supporter anymore. My hope is that in 2024 America elects a real gun-tote'n patriotic American. Someone who will change the poem on the Statue of Liberty... Something like Roses are red, violets are blue, fuk off we're full.
 
SnakeIdol said:
Honestly, it doesn't matter. I'd like to see Trump win just for the meltdown, but I wouldn't consider me a supporter anymore. My hope is that in 2024 America elects a real gun-tote'n patriotic American. Someone who will change the poem on the Statue of Liberty... Something like Roses are red, violets are blue, fuk off we're full.
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We need to dig up Reagan and Heston for 2024 - 3524.
 
SnakeIdol said:
Honestly, it doesn't matter. I'd like to see Trump win just for the meltdown, but I wouldn't consider me a supporter anymore. My hope is that in 2024 America elects a real gun-tote'n patriotic American. Someone who will change the poem on the Statue of Liberty... Something like Roses are red, violets are blue, fuk off we're full.
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I like your honesty. But I have to say the idea of wanting someone like Trump to win to "troll the libtards" doesn't seem like something you'll want to tell your grandkids about one day. Feels like our Idiocracy future is set in stone at this point.
 
FrankyVols said:
I like your honesty. But I have to say the idea of wanting someone like Trump to win to "troll the libtards" doesn't seem like something you'll want to tell your grandkids about one day. Feels like our Idiocracy future is set in stone at this point.
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At least he’ll be telling his grandkids in English under a Democratic, capitalistic America as opposed to breaking the law and telling his grandkids in Spanish under a crumbling socialist system in a Third World country.
 
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