If your Lifelong team got political, would you stop supporting them

what would you do if your team refused to play due to a reason that you strongly dont agree with

  • Support them 100% anyway

    Votes: 2 33.3%

  • Quietly stop watching until this blows over

    Votes: 3 50.0%

  • disassociate from them permanently

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Support my School but not this particular team

    Votes: 1 16.7%
  • Total voters
    6
Gentle Horse said:
Systemic racism does still exist today, but it is on a local level in some places and not nationally. And it is very true that most people view the rest of America thru the lens of what they see in their local community.

We still have it here in South Dakota, both in the local judicial system and in businesses.

When a white man tells his buddy he feels like stabbing an Indian to death today, then proceeds to do that and kills the Indian and receives 10 days jail time and 1 yr probation by a judge, and is not an isolated instance of very different sentences imposed on Native Americans versus whites, that is systemic racism in our community. Does not mean it is nationwide, but it definitely exists here.


When a town still posts signs at the city limits that say "no dogs or indians allowed" and actively chases Indians out of town, that my friend is systemic racism on a localized level.

When our tribal police actively harass white ranchers on the reservation, that is also systemic racism as it is encouraged by the tribal government.

And I will say that there may not be a place in America that has as much animosity between races as here in South Dakota. The whites have never forgiven the Lakota and Cheyenne for the Little Bighorn and Lakota have never forgiven the whites for taking the Black Hills despite a legally binding treaty passed by Congress and signed by the President.
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Those are good points about Reservation and Native issues that I had never been exposed to, thanks for sharing.

The only obvious animosity here is between the tribes who have casinos and those who don’t. Members of tribes that do have the casinos get a very nice yearly stipend.
 
Shower Fart said:
I think a huge part of the problem is how people try to redefine things to make any solution impossible. One example is the claim of “systemic” racism in America. Decades ago it did exist, no doubt about that. Today it does not unless you change the definition of “systemic”.

Racism, along with all other kinds of discrimination, will always exist everywhere. Thankfully it is much less prevalent than it used to be. Things changed largely because people from different groups gradually spent more time together and realized that we’re all looking for the same things: a decent job, good health for our family and friends and just to be left alone.

Now you have people calling for confronting any political adversary in the streets, some colleges are offering segregated dorms and the NFL reportedly may have 2 National anthems, the traditional one and the so called black national anthem. These are horrible ideas and the outcome is going to be bad for everyone. As usual, the poorest in society will feel the most pain from it.
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I wish I had your words, you have expressed how I feel perfectly.
 
Gentle Horse said:
Systemic racism does still exist today, but it is on a local level in some places and not nationally. And it is very true that most people view the rest of America thru the lens of what they see in their local community.

We still have it here in South Dakota, both in the local judicial system and in businesses.

When a white man tells his buddy he feels like stabbing an Indian to death today, then proceeds to do that and kills the Indian and receives 10 days jail time and 1 yr probation by a judge, and is not an isolated instance of very different sentences imposed on Native Americans versus whites, that is systemic racism in our community. Does not mean it is nationwide, but it definitely exists here.


When a town still posts signs at the city limits that say "no dogs or indians allowed" and actively chases Indians out of town, that my friend is systemic racism on a localized level.

When our tribal police actively harass white ranchers on the reservation, that is also systemic racism as it is encouraged by the tribal government.

And I will say that there may not be a place in America that has as much animosity between races as here in South Dakota. The whites have never forgiven the Lakota and Cheyenne for the Little Bighorn and Lakota have never forgiven the whites for taking the Black Hills despite a legally binding treaty passed by Congress and signed by the President.
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I really appreciate your input, you have an eloquent way with your words and a perspective that many of us can appreciate.. and your dignity and class are impeccable.. judging by your work and the things you have done that leave all of us in awe..
So please understand that if my opinion differs, I'm only seeking to further understand,,
I find it very hard to believe that someone in this country in today's times could be convicted of Murder and only receive 10 days for it.. there had to be other circumstances ?????
Let me try to define Systemic Racism to my thinking, it is different than personal racism or just plain racism. I had this conversation with a Black friend a few days ago.. I asked him, Have you ever been not hired because of the color of your skin, have you ever been not allowed to enter a place of business or eat at a place because of the color of your skin, have you ever been denied medical treatment or any other service because of the color of your skin.. I told him that all these things were prohibited by Law and that systemic racism is a thing of the past.
He told me that I didnt get it, that systemic racism refers to the good ole boy network and that it exist outside of the law.
When I think of racism, I dont think about Indians, only blacks, I would imagine that along the borders in the southwest there are clashes between local people and mexicans, or in Miami, with Cubans, and probably other examples as well..
would love to read your further thoughts ..
 
Shower Fart said:
Those are good points about Reservation and Native issues that I had never been exposed to, thanks for sharing.

The only obvious animosity here is between the tribes who have casinos and those who don’t. Members of tribes that do have the casinos get a very nice yearly stipend.
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Most people dont see or understand just how deep some of the hatred between the different Native Nations there are. I am not sure of another race that holds grudges as long as we do. Some hold a grudge from something that happened 400 yrs ago or more.

And then there are the bigotries between the different Nations. Most out west - Lakota, Cheyenne, Navajo, Crow, Arapahoe- dont view the eastern Nations such as Cherokee, Creek, Choctaw, Seminole as real Native Americans because their skin color is lighter.

And then within the Nation you have the bigotry and racism between fullbloods and "breeds", and then the special hatred some have for fullbloods that marry whites. They are called Apples - red on the outside, white on the inside.

Then there is the bigotry between traditionals and modern Native Americans -those that try to keep the old traditions alive and those trying to erase it. Which brings us to the bigotry of those that still speak the language and those that refuse to speak it.

The dynamics within the Native American nations could be a case study in bigotry of one's own people against themselves.
 
Bama Believer said:
I really appreciate your input, you have an eloquent way with your words and a perspective that many of us can appreciate.. and your dignity and class are impeccable.. judging by your work and the things you have done that leave all of us in awe..
So please understand that if my opinion differs, I'm only seeking to further understand,,
I find it very hard to believe that someone in this country in today's times could be convicted of Murder and only receive 10 days for it.. there had to be other circumstances ?????
Let me try to define Systemic Racism to my thinking, it is different than personal racism or just plain racism. I had this conversation with a Black friend a few days ago.. I asked him, Have you ever been not hired because of the color of your skin, have you ever been not allowed to enter a place of business or eat at a place because of the color of your skin, have you ever been denied medical treatment or any other service because of the color of your skin.. I told him that all these things were prohibited by Law and that systemic racism is a thing of the past.
He told me that I didnt get it, that systemic racism refers to the good ole boy network and that it exist outside of the law.
When I think of racism, I dont think about Indians, only blacks, I would imagine that along the borders in the southwest there are clashes between local people and mexicans, or in Miami, with Cubans, and probably other examples as well..
would love to read your further thoughts ..
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Unfortunately no other circumstances. The courts out here place a lower value on Native Americans than others. It comes from decades of things that simply devalued our worth in others eyes - from the 60s to the early 2000s, our women were sterilized without their knowledge by IHS primarily by being given drugs known to cause infertility in women and told it was vitamin supplements - countless small towns out here with the no dogs or indians allowed which equates our value as to that of a feral dog - our own issues with rampant alcoholism that we as a people perpetuate the drunken indian stereotype.

Systemic racism is supported by the local government thru either law or deed. If a bank refuses to lend to Native Americans and willingly takes a fine for breaking the law but still practices it without being forced to change its policies, that is systemic racism thru deed.

While the Federal Government may have prohibited discrimination by law, if the local governments turn a blind eye to those very discriminations, then at the very localized level, systemic racism still exists. The Federal Government simply doesnt have the money or resources to ensure the local towns in every state abide by anti-discrimination laws. That is up to the local state attorneys office and local police.

Racism and bigotry will always exist. For those who have been on the short end of it as I have many times, it is what we do with that experience that counts. Nothing else.
Do we take it as a teaching moment for our children and what do we teach them? I prefer my method that I learned from Mom and Dad. Say a prayer in the Inipi for that person that hates a child of Creator for no other reason than them being different, and ask Creator to open their heart that they see that hating another person is hating their Creator for we are all made in His image.

Or do we teach our kids that because of that experience it is ok for us to now hate them for the same reason? Blind hatred leads us nowhere.

And honestly, it takes less effort to love than it takes to hate

Sorry to prattle on about this.


Mitákuye Oyás'iŋ
 
Gentle Horse said:
Unfortunately no other circumstances. The courts out here place a lower value on Native Americans than others. It comes from decades of things that simply devalued our worth in others eyes - from the 60s to the early 2000s, our women were sterilized without their knowledge by IHS primarily by being given drugs known to cause infertility in women and told it was vitamin supplements - countless small towns out here with the no dogs or indians allowed which equates our value as to that of a feral dog - our own issues with rampant alcoholism that we as a people perpetuate the drunken indian stereotype.

Systemic racism is supported by the local government thru either law or deed. If a bank refuses to lend to Native Americans and willingly takes a fine for breaking the law but still practices it without being forced to change its policies, that is systemic racism thru deed.

While the Federal Government may have prohibited discrimination by law, if the local governments turn a blind eye to those very discriminations, then at the very localized level, systemic racism still exists. The Federal Government simply doesnt have the money or resources to ensure the local towns in every state abide by anti-discrimination laws. That is up to the local state attorneys office and local police.

Racism and bigotry will always exist. For those who have been on the short end of it as I have many times, it is what we do with that experience that counts. Nothing else.
Do we take it as a teaching moment for our children and what do we teach them? I prefer my method that I learned from Mom and Dad. Say a prayer in the Inipi for that person that hates a child of Creator for no other reason than them being different, and ask Creator to open their heart that they see that hating another person is hating their Creator for we are all made in His image.

Or do we teach our kids that because of that experience it is ok for us to now hate them for the same reason? Blind hatred leads us nowhere.

And honestly, it takes less effort to love than it takes to hate

Sorry to prattle on about this.


Mitákuye Oyás'iŋ
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You are wise beyond your years. Your father would be proud of you, and I’m sure he is smiling down on you. You seem to be an amazing person from what I have seen you post on the boards.
 
Gentle Horse said:
Systemic racism does still exist today, but it is on a local level in some places and not nationally. And it is very true that most people view the rest of America thru the lens of what they see in their local community.

We still have it here in South Dakota, both in the local judicial system and in businesses.

When a white man tells his buddy he feels like stabbing an Indian to death today, then proceeds to do that and kills the Indian and receives 10 days jail time and 1 yr probation by a judge, and is not an isolated instance of very different sentences imposed on Native Americans versus whites, that is systemic racism in our community. Does not mean it is nationwide, but it definitely exists here.


When a town still posts signs at the city limits that say "no dogs or indians allowed" and actively chases Indians out of town, that my friend is systemic racism on a localized level.

When our tribal police actively harass white ranchers on the reservation, that is also systemic racism as it is encouraged by the tribal government.

And I will say that there may not be a place in America that has as much animosity between races as here in South Dakota. The whites have never forgiven the Lakota and Cheyenne for the Little Bighorn and Lakota have never forgiven the whites for taking the Black Hills despite a legally binding treaty passed by Congress and signed by the President.
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I understand, appreciate, and agree with your points, but I wonder about your difficulty in finding peace between those beliefs and the beliefs your father taught you. Christianity taught us to turn the other cheek. I'm sad to say that I'm not capable of that. We have to come together as a nation or we will fall as a people without representation. Politicians are killing our country and so far, we are just sitting back and watching it happen.
 
OldDevilDawg said:
I understand, appreciate, and agree with your points, but I wonder about your difficulty in finding peace between those beliefs and the beliefs your father taught you. Christianity taught us to turn the other cheek. I'm sad to say that I'm not capable of that. We have to come together as a nation or we will fall as a people without representation. Politicians are killing our country and so far, we are just sitting back and watching it happen.
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Dad always told me that unconditional love was both the easiest and hardest thing to do and he was right. Lets just say that some weeks I am doing Sweats every day to help me in that. Some weeks not so much.

I have to respectfully disagree on the last part. Politicians are not killing our country. We are. Everyday, we choose whether to allow those politicians to have control over our lives or not and whether we allow them to bring us down morally or not. Not one single person on this earth can make me hate, make me angry, make me go against my morals, my beliefs, my spirituality.

If I do, it is not some bigot's fault. It is not some politicians fault. It is mine and mine alone.

If we fall from grace, we do it ourselves, by our own hands. No greater abdication of personal responsibility than to allow others dictate our morals, our beliefs, or our actions.
 
RTR...USN (ret) said:
You are wise beyond your years. Your father would be proud of you, and I’m sure he is smiling down on you. You seem to be an amazing person from what I have seen you post on the boards.
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Philámayaye, but not so much, just had incredible parents that loved me and taught me as their grandparents taught them. And I like to think that I am still able to make Dad and Mom proud of me.

I try to keep in mind that everything I say, either through spoken word or written word, is a reflection of my parents , my child, my husband, my ancestors and to never speak or write anything that would bring shame to them.
 
Gentle Horse said:
Dad always told me that unconditional love was both the easiest and hardest thing to do and he was right. Lets just say that some weeks I am doing Sweats every day to help me in that. Some weeks not so much.

I have to respectfully disagree on the last part. Politicians are not killing our country. We are. Everyday, we choose whether to allow those politicians to have control over our lives or not and whether we allow them to bring us down morally or not. Not one single person on this earth can make me hate, make me angry, make me go against my morals, my beliefs, my spirituality.

If I do, it is not some bigot's fault. It is not some politicians fault. It is mine and mine alone.

If we fall from grace, we do it ourselves, by our own hands. No greater abdication of personal responsibility than to allow others dictate our morals, our beliefs, or our actions.
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You are absolutely right. We are the ones that are wrong because we are letting it happen.
 
I support Bama, as a Football Team. I support politics, that I favor.
Kneeling during the National Anthem, i will not support, no matter what.
We all have the right to protest wrong doings, or perceived wrong doings.
You do it at work, you should be fired.
You do it on your own time, that is your biz.
If Bama has political messages or words on their jerseys or helmets, or kneels, I am done with them. No going back.
 
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