Which is more important, rushing the QB or defending the pass?

Which would you rather have

  • Elite pass rush

    Votes: 11 91.7%

  • Elite secondary

    Votes: 1 8.3%
  • Total voters
    12
RTR...USN (ret) said:
For the record, both the tackle on Colt, and the hit on Gilbert were perfectly legal. The tackle on Colt was a routine tackle and he was injured. Football is a violent game and injuries happen. The hit on Gilbert was perfectly legal as well. While there are rules in place to protect a defenseless player (can’t hit the QB in the head area or knees when he’s in the pocket) if he has the ball he is not afforded any more protection than any other ball carrier, meaning you can knock the shit out of him, which in this case they did. Learn the rules, and speak ( type) from a position of knowledge, not emotion.
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I think I admitted it was legal. Within the rules as outlined. Gilbert was in fact hit hard in the previous series by a player wearing #41. Possibly late but the pass was caught and advanced for a touchdown. Making the argument entirely moot.
But as far as intending to injure that isn't allowed. It shouldn't be advocated. The fact both quarterbacks summarily were removed speaks volumes. I think Brigham Young ought to be ashamed for their own mistakenly unnecessary hit on Bradford.
Max Hall later proved himself to be something of a reprobate. Making it essential to clarify it isn't about partisanship. But sportsmanship. Fair play within the rules.
 
CollegeFBFan2021 said:
I think I admitted it was legal. Within the rules as outlined. Gilbert was in fact hit hard in the previous series by a player wearing #41. Possibly late but the pass was caught and advanced for a touchdown. Making the argument entirely moot.
But as far as intending to injure that isn't allowed. It shouldn't be advocated. The fact both quarterbacks summarily were removed speaks volumes. I think Brigham Young ought to be ashamed for their own mistakenly unnecessary hit on Bradford.
Max Hall later proved himself to be something of a reprobate. Making it essential to clarify it isn't about partisanship. But sportsmanship. Fair play within the rules.
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There was no bounty, and every defensive player dreams of getting a clear shot (within the rules) on a qb. Even if the QB gets the pass off and completes it, it will make him rush later. Those hits add up and pay dividends later. Play hard, play fast, and play within the rules. Simple.
 
RTR...USN (ret) said:
There was no bounty, and every defensive player dreams of getting a clear shot (within the rules) on a qb. Even if the QB gets the pass off and completes it, it will make him rush later. Those hits add up and pay dividends later. Play hard, play fast, and play within the rules. Simple.
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Have you ever been injured? The reason I'm asking is it isn't as simple as some might think to rehabilitate. I've been injured. Before I was injured I assumed, wrongly I guess, as some people do, I was invincible. I was injured playing football. Many years ago. Long enough ago it really isn't that relevant to anything happening now. But I would like to think I've learned something. I've learned I'm not invincible. I've learned I am susceptible to accident and to injury.
At this point I think we've reached a stalemate. Sorry there's nothing noble about beating the shit out of a vulnerable player. Ever. It isn't in the rules. You are making things up to support an indefensible position. I'm frankly appalled. People are hurt because of recklessness. It isn't right. And no it isn't just a part of the game. Two hand touch would have been better. Apparently you've never been injured before.
 
CollegeFBFan2021 said:
Have you ever been injured? The reason I'm asking is it isn't as simple as some might think to rehabilitate. I've been injured. Before I was injured I assumed, wrongly I guess, as some people do, I was invincible. I was injured playing football. Many years ago. Long enough ago it really isn't that relevant to anything happening now. But I would like to think I've learned something. I've learned I'm not invincible. I've learned I am susceptible to accident and to injury.
At this point I think we've reached a stalemate. Sorry there's nothing noble about beating the shit out of a vulnerable player. Ever. It isn't in the rules. You are making things up to support an indefensible position. I'm frankly appalled. People are hurt because of recklessness. It isn't right. And no it isn't just a part of the game. Two hand touch would have been better. Apparently you've never been injured before.
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I’ve been injured many times. Multiple knee surgeries as well. I’ve been injured playing football, basketball, baseball, injuries happen when you play sports or you work. And they’re not injured because of Recklessness most of the time. Sometimes they just happen when you play.
 
RTR...USN (ret) said:
I’ve been injured many times. Multiple knee surgeries as well. I’ve been injured playing football, basketball, baseball, injuries happen when you play sports or you work. And they’re not injured because of Recklessness most of the time. Sometimes they just happen when you play.
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You're just an argumentative POS. For one thing assuming you aren't lying, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, you would be sidelined with a knee injury. I don't want to bring into question your integrity, but at this point I think it's fair to say you are talking out your ass. People retire with knee injuries. Many are career-enders. My cousin couldn't play basketball after his. I think you're just a lying asshole. F.W.I.W. you wouldn't be able to withstand the pain. Nobody could. You lying asshole. People retire because of injury. They don't play injured. Sure some recover, but they're never the same afterward. I had my leg in a cast for six weeks. It healed but I wasn't the same afterward. You're full of shit.
 
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CollegeFBFan2021 said:
You're just an argumentative POS. For one thing assuming you aren't lying, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, you would be sidelined with a knee injury. I don't want to bring into question your integrity, but at this point I think it's fair to say you are talking out your ass. People retire with knee injuries. Many are career-enders. My cousin couldn't play basketball after his. I think you're just a lying asshole. F.W.I.W. you wouldn't be able to withstand the pain. Nobody could. You lying asshole. People retire because of injury. They don't play injured. Sure some recover, but they're never the same afterward. I had my leg in a cast for six weeks. It healed but I wasn't the same afterward. You're full of shit.
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You just don’t learn your lesson do you? Shall I make this ban permanent?
 
RTR...USN (ret) said:
You just don’t learn your lesson do you? Shall I make this ban permanent?
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Do whatever you feel is appropriate. I'm disgusted because I don't think you understand what integrity is. That's disappointing. People do get injured. I'll try another angle. Maybe this one will resonate. I was fairly seriously injured. Not entirely unlike Alex Smith although his injuries were vastly more significant. But similar as far as measure to which my recovery was impeded.
I take exception to the idea injuries simply happen. I'll be the first to admit that's true. My injury required surgery. I still feel pain. I never fully recovered is the point I'm making. Those things are permanent. For me at least. I can't speak for another person. But they were debilitating. F.W.I.W.
 
RTR...USN (ret) said:
You just don’t learn your lesson do you? Shall I make this ban permanent?
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All I want is for everyone to be happy. That might not be very clear in my exposition. I'm sure you've heard the expression about friendships. There is someone for everyone. There is room enough at the top for a wildcard. I've studied this topic quite a bit.
It shouldn't bother anyone to allow for a G-5.
It's depressing to think that the championship necessarily must be patterned after the socialist state of Russia. We can include a team like Coastal Carolina. It isn't hurting anyone to include ONE G-5. Why should Notre Dame get all the attention?
Don't get me wrong. They deserve it as much as anyone, perhaps moreso. Given their history and whatnot. By why limit access to one team if several are deserving?
Maybe expansion is the answer, although I might prefer if we instead took a step back.
BCS selected a deserving national champion. Many thought it was too prohibitive. I think it gave emphasis on being the best team throughout the year. F.W.I.W.
 
Tenn"cock said:
^^^^ Well, this oughta be interesting. DR gonna bite or not? I'm takin bets.
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That argument was surrounding the 1984 national championship. I think I addressed it appropriately enough. Let me ask you a question. Be honest with yourself. If we have two teams (Brigham Young, Florida) of comparable value, both of whom (at the time) yet to achieve the Natty. One on probation (Florida, obviously), the other coming into their own as far as legitimacy. One loses (to Miami, FL) their title game, the other, admittedly round-about, but nevertheless relevant as far as tying up loose ends (Baylor). Make fun of Baylor to your own peril, as they (following year) were 9-3 and a Liberty Bowl Champion. Matters.
Sure we can give Florida a title claim. I think they deserve recognition and ought to be included, which they already ARE! New York Times National Champions. Always and forever and admittedly deserving of it, too.
But not at the exclusion of Brigham Young.
Likewise, a nearly identical circumstance puts Brigham Young in a position against Florida in 1996. Honestly, it would be quite hypocritical to recognize Florida without giving attention to Brigham Young, also.
No it wasn't the New York Times. It was the Belt. Brigham Young secured a Belt NC.
A result of having beaten Tulsa.
Which brings me back to 1984. A Championship retroactively applied through S. Carolina (the team most likely to earn it) falls directly on Army's lap. Army surrendered it to Notre Dame. Who (again, retroactively) surrendered it to S. Methodist.
Who lost two games (two losses eliminate).
That explains why I don't have to defend BYU. No, they DIDN'T beat either team (Houston, Texas). But they DID beat Tulsa. Quite handily. 35-15. Tulsa beat 9-0 Indiana St. 24-17. Tulsa went 5-0 in Missouri Valley.
Lest you think that's irrelevant, Missouri Valley still exists, without Tulsa, obviously.
North Dakota St is Missouri Valley. Nebraska (1915) was in Missouri Valley. Were a NC.
Brigham Young, effectively beat the best team from the Missouri Valley Conference.
Iowa beat Texas, but so also did Baylor.
Brigham Young +retroactively from 1985). Beat Boston College. 28-14 in Kickoff Classic. Meaning BYU tied up loose ends before losing to U.C.L.A. in a Belt title game.
 
Tenn"cock said:
Funny how you never see the correlation between the wristbands and the belt.
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Watch Heaven Can Wait. Joe Pendleton. His manager addresses the very problem you are discussing. Max Corkel. Tells the investigator exactly why the Belt is important. Does the carpet match the drapes? That's ultimately what it boils down. To. Seriously. This isn't complicated.
 
Tenn"cock said:
Nope. Wrong.
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Nope wrong? Chris Leak's pass wasn't deflected? Do you are agreeing with the official ruling that it was a fumble instead of a deflected forward pass? You are saying the official has the last say in any argument? Because it looked like a deflected pass to me and to mostly everyone else, too. Also, a correct ruling would have given Florida the inside track. Particular to claiming a championship. They were pretty lucky (ask anyone) they weren't passed over by another team like louisville. Truth be told Louisville was maybe the best team never admitted to a NC. They probably deserves it more and it's anyone's guess who the better team was. That's why it's SO important we call it square. Who knows why Florida went. I remember Urban Meyer cried a river, thinking if he didn't cry, piss and moan, his team is excluded (perhaps unfairly). Call the play correctly, they advance unimpeded. Because of the ruling. Pass deflection. Look into it. Auburn vs. Florida. Chris Leak's deflected forward pass.
 
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CollegeFBFan2021 said:
Nope wrong? Chris Leak's pass wasn't deflected? Do you are agreeing with the official ruling that it was a fumble instead of a deflected forward pass? You are saying the official has the last say in any argument? Because it looked like a deflected pass to me and to mostly everyone else, too. Also, a correct ruling would have given Florida the inside track. Particular to claiming a championship. They were pretty lucky (ask anyone) they weren't passed over by another team like louisville. Truth be told Louisville was maybe the best team never admitted to a NC. They probably deserves it more and it's anyone's guess who the better team was. That's why it's SO important we call it square. Who knows why Florida went. I remember Urban Meyer cried a river, thinking if he didn't cry, piss and moan, his team is excluded (perhaps unfairly). Call the play correctly, they advance unimpeded. Because of the ruling. Pass deflection. Look into it. Auburn vs. Florida. Chris Leak's deflected forward pass.
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Here is my proof.... it was a fumble.
 
CollegeFBFan2021 said:
Watch Heaven Can Wait. Joe Pendleton. His manager addresses the very problem you are discussing. Max Corkel. Tells the investigator exactly why the Belt is important. Does the carpet match the drapes? That's ultimately what it boils down. To. Seriously. This isn't complicated.
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This is how the big Belt industry wants you to think.
 
Tenn"cock said:
Here is my proof.... it was a fumble.
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Deflected forward pass that was incorrectly ruled to be a fumble. Ask an official. I suspect someone felt guilty about it because it probably ought to have prevented Florida from advancing to the national championship. People were talking Michigan. Instead of Florida. Seriously. Tye only thing that prevented it was the Rose Bowl. Thank Heavens!!!!! Long live the BCS .
 
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