Any of yuns use "ifn" in your daily speech

CowpokeU said:
What's bad English to you (I'm assuming from this) is actually that last intact variation of Elizabethan English in the world. The yuns, ifns, yourns, thees and so on that makes up the colloquialisms of Appalachian English is far from bad English, it is what exists of Colonial English, Irish and Cherokee intertwined and basically unbroken in the centuries of our area being Europeanized.

Good day sir
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There's a reason Scottish fiddlers make a pilgrimage to the Appalachian mountains to learn how it was sung and played in Scotland four hundred years ago.
 
CowpokeU said:
Well we speak the Queen's English....from the 1650s lol
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Lol, the Puritans of New England were persecuted by the king, they were not a fan. Jametown was named for King James, but he had only just become king in 1603, and.... wait for it.... He was Scottish. The English colonies were distinctly Elizabethan english, so the Queen's english, carried forward after her death.
 
midcal said:
Is there no place closer in Scotland that they could learn?
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So I get you don't understand how deep the Scots roots are up here but I can speak from a Cherokee perspective, in the days of English Rule and new America, the Scots and the Irish were really the only Europeans we respected and allowed to live in our treaty territory amongst us.

To this degree, when final rolls and documentation of our tribe came around, we chose Scottish and Irish surnames since we didn't have last names in our culture and to this day you have full bloods running around with last names like Garrett, Buchanan, McAlpin, McInnis etc.

The largest Scottish games are held here in Appalachia, the complete collection and premiere US authority on Scottish Clans, Tartans etc is here in Western NC. So, unfortunately for those in Scotland where the history adapted and changed along with old songs, this area that kept its roots intact without change didn't.

There's even towns in this area that were built in the circular style that permeated Scottish society and the other day talking to an Archeologist about this he's noticed there are still townships built on this principal put here and it bewilders him how long that's stayed intact.
 
midcal said:
Is there no place closer in Scotland that they could learn?
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Modern Scottish, yes. The old traditional ways were greatly diminished by the great exodus of Scots in 1745 after the quelling of the Jacobite Rebellion and major victory by the British at the Battle of Culloden. The British replaced a great many of Lords/Lairds in Scotland with pro British, and the conditions for the commoners became simply unbearable, both in unfair persecution and taxes. Many captured in battle (like Culloden) were sent Australia, or told to leave, or die. The new colony of North Carolina (split from South Carolina (surveyed in 1744) because of all Scots, Swiss, and Germans flooding into the Cape Fear region against the wishes of the British in Charleston and Virginia) advertised in Scotland for colonists and they came in droves, including their best musicians.
 
RuffledFeathers said:
While not in the mountains, try visiting Ocracoke Island in NC for some "Hoi Toider" society. Talk about ole English, they got the isolation of the island to preserve it. Same in the mountains with preservation of the language.
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Was down at Okracoke and Buxton Island last year for vacation. It's pretty wild how intact a lot of old world culture is kept there.

Hell over around Raleigh there's a Germanic religious group that have kept their old world ways intact even having a city built up around them. They are also the last makers of traditional Tin here in the US as well.
 
CowpokeU said:
Was down at Okracoke and Buxton Island last year for vacation. It's pretty wild how intact a lot of old world culture is kept there.

Hell over around Raleigh there's a Germanic religious group that have kept their old world ways intact even having a city built up around them. They are also the last makers of traditional Tin here in the US as well.
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Plenty of Germans in South Carolina, as well, settlements like Dutch Fork, Saxe-Gotha, and others. The mustard based bbq in the midlands originated from German mustard being added to vinegar and pepper recipes.
 
RuffledFeathers said:
Modern Scottish, yes. The old traditional ways were greatly diminished by the great exodus of Scots in 1745 after the quelling of the Jacobite Rebellion and major victory by the British at the Battle of Culloden. The British replaced a great many of Lords/Lairds in Scotland with pro British, and the conditions for the commoners became simply unbearable, both in unfair persecution and taxes. Many captured in battle (like Culloden) were sent Australia, or told to leave, or die. The new colony of North Carolina (split from South Carolina (surveyed in 1744) because of all Scots, Swiss, and Germans flooding into the Cape Fear region against the wishes of the British in Charleston and Virginia) advertised in Scotland for colonists and they came in droves, including their best musicians.
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Cool. My wife likes that Outlander show too.
 
RuffledFeathers said:
Plenty of Germans in South Carolina, as well, settlements like Dutch Fork, Saxe-Gotha, and others. The mustard based bbq in the midlands originated from German mustard being added to vinegar and pepper recipes.
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Real German mustard is really good. Dipped fresh made pretzels into it when I was in Munich 2 years ago at a traditional Bavarian restaurant. Makes my mouth water just thinking about it and the beer.
 
When I first moved to Tennessee, and started work on my first day, one of my colleagues said "You'ns liking this area?" after I explained we had moved here. I was stunned since even tho I had grown up around country folk they never used words like that, in the upstate.

I still do not hear it a lot, but every once in a while it comes up.
 
OldDevilDawg said:
So I was just listening to Yelawolf. Born and raised in Gadsden, Alabama. He explained everything at 2:04 in this video with Kid Rock.

"Bama slanguage". :ROFLMAO:

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I like that,, Bama Slanguage... I've heard some stories about Yelawolf and his mom from people that knew him before he became semi-famous.. He grew up just 15 miles down the road.. I'm not a big fan of Rap but there is some soul in his lyrics that I can appreciate.. I'm more of a Riley Green type fan who grew up in pleasant valley which is where @RTR...USN (ret) currently resides and only 5 miles down the road lol..

 
Bama Believer said:
I like that,, Bama Slanguage... I've heard some stories about Yelawolf and his mom from people that knew him before he became semi-famous.. He grew up just 15 miles down the road.. I'm not a big fan of Rap but there is some soul in his lyrics that I can appreciate.. I'm more of a Riley Green type fan who grew up in pleasant valley which is where @RTR...USN (ret) currently resides and only 5 miles down the road lol..

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AWESOME song! I like all types of music, but of course homegrown country will always have my heart and soul.

This guy is from my part of the country. He grew up about 8 miles from where I live and his parents still run the most popular BBQ place around after 30 years. Stopped by there today, as a matter of fact.


 
Bama Believer said:
I like that,, Bama Slanguage... I've heard some stories about Yelawolf and his mom from people that knew him before he became semi-famous.. He grew up just 15 miles down the road.. I'm not a big fan of Rap but there is some soul in his lyrics that I can appreciate.. I'm more of a Riley Green type fan who grew up in pleasant valley which is where @RTR...USN (ret) currently resides and only 5 miles down the road lol..

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After further research, I just found out this guy was in High School in Dahlonega, GA when I was living there. I saw him live a few years ago. Good shit!

 
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