Saban Retiring

I ain't lying when I say that I think Drink would have been a better hire than Deboer. You and I both know if Bama went after him, they would have got him.
Now that I thought about it, I think Drink's career path is equal or better than Deboer. Drink coached teams that faced tough competition his entire career and he still had amazing success. Deboer had a lot of success against subpar competition.
 
I ain't lying when I say that I think Drink would have been a better hire than Deboer. You and I both know if Bama went after him, they would have got him.
I still say whoever gets hired is only going to serve as the cannon fodder / transition guy to suffer through a couple of subpar seasons (by Bama standards) until the next guy can then come in without the specter of St. Nick hanging over them.
 
Well, meyer came from what was deridedly called a lower level school and look at his success. Meyer did say that his first year in the SEC was a learning lesson.

Even as my interest in cfb wanes, I say give him a year and then see year 2.
 
I still say whoever gets hired is only going to serve as the cannon fodder / transition guy to suffer through a couple of subpar seasons (by Bama standards) until the next guy can then come in without the specter of St. Nick hanging over them.
Common sense says you’re right. I know I’ve said this before, but I vividly recall my grandfather saying Bear Bryant was the worst thing to ever happen to Alabama, which, in this state at that time was sacrilege in this state that carried a death sentence. But his logic was sound. Bama was a dominant program in the 20s and 30s and very good at times in the 40s. Yes, they’d fallen, and needed to be restored- and Bryant did that. But, he also became synonymous with the program and eventually overshadowed the program. He became bigger than Alabama, so that when he retired- then worse, passed- he became a Saint. Anyone that succeeded him (even if hand picked, by Bryant, which Perkins was) was going to be reviled if they did ANYTHING different than “thuh Bayuh”. And Perkins did himself no favors trying to establish himself apart from Bryant right off the bat- removing Bryant’s famous tower infuriated the fan base. And so, a giant shadow loomed over the program too proud to learn, with an entitlement and elitist booster base that continually kept Bama at mediocre, barring Stallings’ success. After Stallings left they made things continually worse, and suddenly we found ourselves, after a few - few!!! But, for a Bama fanbase, what felt like eternity- years of terrible, helped by unfair NCAA sanctions- we found ourselves with losing seasons, losing to UCF at homecoming, while Florida and LSU won national titles and Auburn was locked out if winning one in 04. The base had finally been so humbled and, for the first time ever, confronted with the reality of becoming a faded, forgotten power (like Nebraska), that Moore knew he had to go all in on a winner who did by give a damn about Bryant or Bama’s entitlement, someone that knew if he could overcome the Bama fanbases (unrealistic, at that times) expectations, he could galvanize and focus the program to be what it can be- the most ideally positioned program to be world crushers. He did that. And we all recognized right off he could and would. This wasn’t a coach we expected to obey, like DuBose or Shula or Franchione, this was a coach the fanbase knew to submit to. That was evident at that spring A day game when over 93,000 showed up to watch a scrimmage of terrible players.

Needless to say, the rest is history.

So, what you’re suggesting is, history repeats itself. And Bama is now overdue for a long walk in the desert before sniffing the promised land again. And you may be right. God knows, DeBoer will be under exceptionally heavy scrutiny with EVERY decision he makes…going for it on 4th and 2, or throwing rather than running it…and anytime we finish outside the top 5 in recruiting, watch out. But I don’t think he’d have taken the job if he didn’t think he could win a title within 3 years with us. And if he does, he’s golden. We never expected Saban to be the Bear. We just wanted another Stallings.

Also, while put fan base has been unrealistically spoiled in 17 years, with 6 National titles, playing for but falling short of 2 others, and nearly playing for 4 more…with 4 Heisman winners and several Heisman runner-ups…16 10 win seasons…etc etc etc…you’d think we’re expecting that to be continued. But, I really don’t think so.

While yes, our fan base has once again become spoiled to the point of near unappreciative, there is still that lingering recollection of mediocrity, and how our rivals reveled on it. Yes, it was 17 years ago, but peoples memories are longer now. For starters, as dumb as it may sound, 17 years (Saban) is less than 25 (Bryant). That’s literally 2-3 more generations of kids. But moreso; The once regional sport is now national. Bryant became a deity, synonymous with Alabama, but we’ve never made that mistake with Saban. With Bryant, who was an Alabama man, people just knew he’d be there forever and always win. With Saban, while we’ve lived him and expected the utmost from him, we were oddly more appreciative as we always knew the timeline was finite. In the early years, we feared he’d leave for another job, pro or lateral move. After the 2011 tornados, we knew better, but then it became fear of retirement. We knew the clock was ticking, for all our bravado, so we’ve been savoring it, but secretly, collectively, fearing undefeated time taking its toll. And it finally did. As such, despite how accustomed we’ve become to bring a top 3 recruiting class every year, a title Hunter every year, a ten win program every year, etc, we’ve always kind of known it’s due to SABAN, not just Bama…where as Bryant, synonymous and indistinguishable from Bama, we didn’t. And don’t get me wrong- Saban could not have done what he has ANYWHERE else than a Tuscaloosa. Find the right coach with the right mind snd guys here? And there will be epic magic.

And maybe that’s my source of optimism. If history does repeat itself, the University of Alabama combined with the right coach have twice produced the greatest coaches with most titles in history. Ours is the hardest coaching job in college football, but for any man that can accept that? He ca. harness a program that is unparalleled when it’s up and ROLLING!
 
It seems like it does matter

Bama fans are happy. Everyone else is pissed
Do you want to jump on the ledge that DeBoer is equal/better than Saban? DeBoer is a one hit wonder and flavor of the month. I can see AG getting pissed, but anyone else?

Eww Oh the Witch is dead, which old witch, the Saban witch. I'm tickled to death. :p
 
Common sense says you’re right. I know I’ve said this before, but I vividly recall my grandfather saying Bear Bryant was the worst thing to ever happen to Alabama, which, in this state at that time was sacrilege in this state that carried a death sentence. But his logic was sound. Bama was a dominant program in the 20s and 30s and very good at times in the 40s. Yes, they’d fallen, and needed to be restored- and Bryant did that. But, he also became synonymous with the program and eventually overshadowed the program. He became bigger than Alabama, so that when he retired- then worse, passed- he became a Saint. Anyone that succeeded him (even if hand picked, by Bryant, which Perkins was) was going to be reviled if they did ANYTHING different than “thuh Bayuh”. And Perkins did himself no favors trying to establish himself apart from Bryant right off the bat- removing Bryant’s famous tower infuriated the fan base. And so, a giant shadow loomed over the program too proud to learn, with an entitlement and elitist booster base that continually kept Bama at mediocre, barring Stallings’ success. After Stallings left they made things continually worse, and suddenly we found ourselves, after a few - few!!! But, for a Bama fanbase, what felt like eternity- years of terrible, helped by unfair NCAA sanctions- we found ourselves with losing seasons, losing to UCF at homecoming, while Florida and LSU won national titles and Auburn was locked out if winning one in 04. The base had finally been so humbled and, for the first time ever, confronted with the reality of becoming a faded, forgotten power (like Nebraska), that Moore knew he had to go all in on a winner who did by give a damn about Bryant or Bama’s entitlement, someone that knew if he could overcome the Bama fanbases (unrealistic, at that times) expectations, he could galvanize and focus the program to be what it can be- the most ideally positioned program to be world crushers. He did that. And we all recognized right off he could and would. This wasn’t a coach we expected to obey, like DuBose or Shula or Franchione, this was a coach the fanbase knew to submit to. That was evident at that spring A day game when over 93,000 showed up to watch a scrimmage of terrible players.

Needless to say, the rest is history.

So, what you’re suggesting is, history repeats itself. And Bama is now overdue for a long walk in the desert before sniffing the promised land again. And you may be right. God knows, DeBoer will be under exceptionally heavy scrutiny with EVERY decision he makes…going for it on 4th and 2, or throwing rather than running it…and anytime we finish outside the top 5 in recruiting, watch out. But I don’t think he’d have taken the job if he didn’t think he could win a title within 3 years with us. And if he does, he’s golden. We never expected Saban to be the Bear. We just wanted another Stallings.

Also, while put fan base has been unrealistically spoiled in 17 years, with 6 National titles, playing for but falling short of 2 others, and nearly playing for 4 more…with 4 Heisman winners and several Heisman runner-ups…16 10 win seasons…etc etc etc…you’d think we’re expecting that to be continued. But, I really don’t think so.

While yes, our fan base has once again become spoiled to the point of near unappreciative, there is still that lingering recollection of mediocrity, and how our rivals reveled on it. Yes, it was 17 years ago, but peoples memories are longer now. For starters, as dumb as it may sound, 17 years (Saban) is less than 25 (Bryant). That’s literally 2-3 more generations of kids. But moreso; The once regional sport is now national. Bryant became a deity, synonymous with Alabama, but we’ve never made that mistake with Saban. With Bryant, who was an Alabama man, people just knew he’d be there forever and always win. With Saban, while we’ve lived him and expected the utmost from him, we were oddly more appreciative as we always knew the timeline was finite. In the early years, we feared he’d leave for another job, pro or lateral move. After the 2011 tornados, we knew better, but then it became fear of retirement. We knew the clock was ticking, for all our bravado, so we’ve been savoring it, but secretly, collectively, fearing undefeated time taking its toll. And it finally did. As such, despite how accustomed we’ve become to bring a top 3 recruiting class every year, a title Hunter every year, a ten win program every year, etc, we’ve always kind of known it’s due to SABAN, not just Bama…where as Bryant, synonymous and indistinguishable from Bama, we didn’t. And don’t get me wrong- Saban could not have done what he has ANYWHERE else than a Tuscaloosa. Find the right coach with the right mind snd guys here? And there will be epic magic.

And maybe that’s my source of optimism. If history does repeat itself, the University of Alabama combined with the right coach have twice produced the greatest coaches with most titles in history. Ours is the hardest coaching job in college football, but for any man that can accept that? He ca. harness a program that is unparalleled when it’s up and ROLLING!
All well put. The caution is that I never imagined in my lifetime I’d see what has happened to Nebraska. Some programs during my lifetime just always seemed like pre-ordained, self-fulfilling perpetual motion machines. The Devaney/Osborne/Solich lineage had all the hallmarks of that continuing. Until it didn’t. Blue bloods are generally still blue bloods. Alabama has been a cut or two beyond blue blood status these past few years. Call it purple blood. There is bound to be a drop off. How the fan base and the program respond to a return to run-of-the-mill blue blood status is going to be really interesting.
 
All well put. The caution is that I never imagined in my lifetime I’d see what has happened to Nebraska. Some programs during my lifetime just always seemed like pre-ordained, self-fulfilling perpetual motion machines. The Devaney/Osborne/Solich lineage had all the hallmarks of that continuing. Until it didn’t. Blue bloods are generally still blue bloods. Alabama has been a cut or two beyond blue blood status these past few years. Call it purple blood. There is bound to be a drop off. How the fan base and the program respond to a return to run-of-the-mill blue blood status is going to be really interesting.
Forgive the typos - all that was written on a phone. I hate posting on my phone.
 
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