This “debate” is a fucking joke.

Nod4Eight said:
I'm still for Vivek. He's the one person not afraid to speak truth.
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Which is why he's not ready, yet. He's not politically mature enough. He's got to learn to bite his tongue, when needed. The fact that millennials love him reinforces that thought of immaturity.

If Biden doesn't start a full blown WWIII before the election, Vivek will be nicely positioned for a 2028 run. Right now there's just sooooo much screwed up that (assuming Biden isn't in charge in 2024) the entire next four years will be fixing all the problems created by the Biden administration. Between ALL those internal screw ups, and dealing with the middle east problems, Ukraine problems, Taiwan problems, Philippines problems, Vietnam problems, and the rest of the South China Sea, dealing with the U.N., WHO, NATO, E.U. and other world organizations. Plus emerging conflicts in South America (aggressive Venezuela), a growing leftist threat in Canada, etc. I just don't think anyone young and new on the scene is ready for all this. While he's getting himself known on the world stage (a good thing) his aggressive posturing is also making enemies of people he might need as allies in the future. His passion is a double edged sword. It can rally his base, but it can also embolden his opponents (i.e. Xi, Putin, etc. who may think they can exploit his passionate inexperience). Vivek needs to expand his world stage exposure and develop his diplomacy skills. He needs to meet foreign leaders and establish a visible connection, as well as, visibly associate with future colleagues (future Secretary candidates, future ambassadors, etc.). Vivek needs to get busy preparing for 2028. His current millennial base will be five years more mature and may be a deciding factor.
 
RuffledFeathers said:
Which is why he's not ready, yet. He's not politically mature enough. He's got to learn to bite his tongue, when needed. The fact that millennials love him reinforces that thought of immaturity.

If Biden doesn't start a full blown WWIII before the election, Vivek will be nicely positioned for a 2028 run. Right now there's just sooooo much screwed up that (assuming Biden isn't in charge in 2024) the entire next four years will be fixing all the problems created by the Biden administration. Between ALL those internal screw ups, and dealing with the middle east problems, Ukraine problems, Taiwan problems, Philippines problems, Vietnam problems, and the rest of the South China Sea, dealing with the U.N., WHO, NATO, E.U. and other world organizations. Plus emerging conflicts in South America (aggressive Venezuela), a growing leftist threat in Canada, etc. I just don't think anyone young and new on the scene is ready for all this. While he's getting himself known on the world stage (a good thing) his aggressive posturing is also making enemies of people he might need as allies in the future. His passion is a double edged sword. It can rally his base, but it can also embolden his opponents (i.e. Xi, Putin, etc. who may think they can exploit his passionate inexperience). Vivek needs to expand his world stage exposure and develop his diplomacy skills. He needs to meet foreign leaders and establish a visible connection, as well as, visibly associate with future colleagues (future Secretary candidates, future ambassadors, etc.). Vivek needs to get busy preparing for 2028. His current millennial base will be five years more mature and may be a deciding factor.
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I'll respectfully disagree. All that just makes him 4 more years closer to the swamp. We need someone from the outside. Not someone groomed within the system.

Out of the people on the stage, he had the most defined plan. While Haley and Desantis were arguing like little kids saying "nu-uh, you're lying" back and forth - he was quoting which laws and articles of the Constitution he would leverage to execute his plan.

Being a bit of a wild-card can be a good thing. Heck, it worked decent for Trump until he hit the beaurocrat wall.
 
Blackshirts Blvd said:
Next question.

This was a tweet during the debate yesterday.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1732582582842261834

So, why do you (any of you) think Trump is so popular?
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He is a deep state plant.
Had to spend a gazillion to fix obummers shit.
Byedin spent a gazillion to fix trumpsters shit.
Establishment wants him, to spend a gazillion to fix byedins shit.
See a trend?
All part of agenda 2030, great reset, after financial collapse.
All planned.
 
Bamaklingon said:
He is a deep state plant.
Had to spend a gazillion to fix obummers shit.
Byedin spent a gazillion to fix trumpsters shit.
Establishment wants him, to spend a gazillion to fix byedins shit.
See a trend?
All part of agenda 2030, great reset, after financial collapse.
All planned.
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What was “Trump’s shit” that needed fixing, much less a gazillion dollars?
 
Toadman005 said:
What was “Trump’s shit” that needed fixing, much less a gazillion dollars?
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He was covids main man. Warp speed ring a bell? Do I "really " need to go into all "those" specifics?
He spent a ton of our tax money, in 4 years. Some was justified.
Was just as, or more so, divisive for the Country.
Proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he didn't understand what the meanings of the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Ammendments are.
All I got, right off the top of my head.
 
Trade war with China. Which I agree with. But not during covids.

Eta: that started just before covids. If that wasn't planned, nothing was.
 
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Bamaklingon said:
He was covids main man. Warp speed ring a bell? Do I "really " need to go into all "those" specifics?
He spent a ton of our tax money, in 4 years. Some was justified.
Was just as, or more so, divisive for the Country.
Proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he didn't understand what the meanings of the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Ammendments are.
All I got, right off the top of my head.
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The Covid shit I agree with. Should have opened us back up by executive order day 15, and put down every BLM riot with gunfire.

I feel he did more with our taxes than most that have come before him. But as that’s subjective I’ll not detract for that.

I don’t give a damn about divisive. Neither should you. The other side is goddamned evil and anyone that turns a blind eye to that while bleating like a bleeding stuck lamb over Trump’s mean ol words is at best a fucking moron.
 
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Hard2Bluff said:
Y'all are a bunch of political scientists in here, Im a lay person compared to yall. All I know is this country went to shit when Biden won.
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It started with Obama. In 2006, with Democrats controlling Congress, Senator Obama led the attack on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to force them to accept bad loans with accusations of racial discrimination. Race doesn't matter if you are near poverty level and you're allowed to get a $500,000 loan, the math doesn't work. That caused the 2008-9 housing bubble collapse, which Obama further exacerbated with the original green deal. The defense was cut so much it was no longer able to operate on two fronts. Those diverted funds feed the new green start ups, like Solyndra, that later folded without Obama subsidizing them. Most people don't realize how much in the hole the country was in 2016. That makes what Trump's administration accomplished in four years just that more impressive. At least Obama tried to get along most of time, Biden has been a divisive force from the get go, turning everything normal abnormal. The only good thing about Biden is he has exposed who are the evil ones that are harmful to America. Virtually all of his administration qualifies.
 
Bamaklingon said:
I was looking at him.
Taking Soros money, is a big no for me.
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Eh, Paul (not George) Soros merit based scholarship 12+ years ago. Hundreds of those schollies have been handed out. I'm more concerned with his record since then. I'm more concerned with his actual plans than what other contenders argue over. Dig deep enough into anyone's donors and you will find poison.
People bring that up when they can't refute what he's doing now. I don't fall for that.
 
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