So, abortion.

Fleckabelly said:
Who are you holding accountable? The mother or the unwanted child? Your punishment is forcing a child into the world that will have a much higher chance of being raped, beaten, without parents, without a father, much more prone to suicide, prone to crime, etc.. All the mother “is held accountable for” is birthing the child. Then she’s done and the child goes on to likely repeat the same cycle in 15 years.

Do you want to help that child? Do you want to feed him? Provide day care? Housing? Do you want to clothe it? Because most Republicans don’t seem to care at that point. Most consider it a leach on society, right?

If you want accountability, then see it through Nod. If you think you know more about each situation than the mother and her doctor and that you should decide what’s best rather than them, why don’t you support that child since she admitted isn’t going to?
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Easy answer here. There are over 2 million couples on the newborn adoption list. Do you know how difficult it is to go through that process?
Being pro life does jot mean I have to support socialism. There are plenty of places to help those babies, and more would pop up with plenty of donations if it came to it.
What have I done? Probably more than you. I've personally helped a number of unfortunate, under-priveldged poor kids. I've donated money and time as well. What have you done Fleck?
 
Toadman005 said:
Honestly I don’t know. I’m not the guy to make this argument to. I’m the last guy, most likely. My wife and I had to go through IVF. You think I wouldn’t save our frozen embryos over someone else’s kid? I honestly can’t say.
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I didn’t say yours.
 
Nod4Eight said:
Easy answer here. There are over 2 million couples on the newborn adoption list. Do you know how difficult it is to go through that process?
Being pro life does jot mean I have to support socialism. There are plenty of places to help those babies, and more would pop up with plenty of donations if it came to it.
What have I done? Probably more than you. I've personally helped a number of unfortunate, under-priveldged poor kids. I've donated money and time as well. What have you done Fleck?
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A lot. You don’t know me. Don’t presume that you do.

But as I said, your only real goal here is accountability for the mother. The child or what happens to it doesn’t really matter.
 
Nod4Eight said:
It's human. So are Jews. Do you understand biology you ignorant fuck?
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It’s an embryo. You’re still confused, but now a bit angry that you look like a fool.

you guys have a good one. I figured as much with this place. Just thought I’d check it out.

appreciate the discussion @Toadman005
 
Fleckabelly said:
It’s an embryo. You’re still confused, but now a bit angry that you look like a fool.

you guys have a good one. I figured as much with this place. Just thought I’d check it out.

appreciate the discussion @Toadman005
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Don’t leave. You started the thread and may as well see it through. I’ve always appreciated we disagree on things but can stay pretty civil. But we’re you looking to truly discuss this topic, or disagree? Pick a fight? We’re you self assured of victory beforehand? I am sincerely asking. Obviously it’s a hot topic. But moreso, we’re you trying ti get another perspective, debate, preach, troll or argue? Merely curious.
 
Fleckabelly said:
A lot. You don’t know me. Don’t presume that you do.

But as I said, your only real goal here is accountability for the mother. The child or what happens to it doesn’t really matter.
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Lots and lots I presume!! Lol. Whatever. You were giving Cav shit for being sanctimonious. Lol. Lots and lots you do, I'm sure!!

No, I expect everyone to be accountable. Mothers. Fathers. Children. You. Me. Everyone. You presumed a little too much.
 
Toadman005 said:
Don’t leave. You started the thread and may as well see it through. I’ve always appreciated we disagree on things but can stay pretty civil. But we’re you looking to truly discuss this topic, or disagree? Pick a fight? We’re you self assured of victory beforehand? I am sincerely asking. Obviously it’s a hot topic. But moreso, we’re you trying ti get another perspective, debate, preach, troll or argue? Merely curious.
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He's looking for agreement. He didn't start this thread to debate or discuss ideas. Typical liberal lefty - my way or the highway - type of 'discussion'. You didn't see that from the get go? He can go get fucked. Maybe that lefty can get pregnant and abort his own baby. Then he'd be happy for a few.
 
Fleckabelly said:
I think this is way more common than you think and you are being very shortsighted. traveling across several states or just to one for many is not so simple. Doing that without money and with decent parents isn’t just a school trip.

Disagree. Where do you think most abortions come from? The educated? Loving families? It happens far more often to less privileged kids without sufficient supervision, single parent households, etc.. You aren’t going to create much of a difference in pregnancies. Just alternative means to abortion.

It’s not murder. It’s an embryo. Whether you consider it a life is up to you, but it’s not equal to a human life.
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Bullshit. It most certainly is murder. That is a human being. Just because they are growing inside of their mother dosen't mean they are any less important than you or I. In fact, I would almost deign to say they are the most important. They are our future.
 
Copejunkie said:
All through mankind's history this has been the case. It's not just a modern invention. The left has just made it one of their mantras
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It's insane how while the left is trying to decrease our rights....to free speech, private property, gun ownership, etc, they are declaring the right to murder the unborn is virtuous and divine, and cannot - under any circumstances - be infringed.....when it was never a constitutional right to begin with. The left goes on and on about language, it's importance, and how it's violent, and hateful, etc, and we always blow it off as a bunch of hyperbole, but in truth, they're gaslighting, projecting, astroturfing. They DO weaponize language and they DO give literal intent in theirs....we would do well to start taking it seriously and matching them in equal usage. They left hates us. Literally. Time we stop pretending civility is an option.
 
Fleckabelly said:
That said, there’s a small problem. One, not everyone has access to be able to drive to the nearest pro choice state. For many, that’s 500-1000 miles. Many of those people will be forced into making far more difficult arrangements to get the abortion. Many others might be young teenagers that don’t want their parents to know. Whether it’s a boyfriend, date rape, incest, or other, many find it something to be ashamed.
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And here is a small solution: Planned Parenthood is already established in these communities and will still have the ability to provide free long acting birth control measures. You are protecting people that are educated on pregnancy but just don't care. And you are doing this at the expense of human life. Personally I am against all abortions with the exception of life of the mother but my libertarian beliefs lead me to accept that the decision should be on the mother until life ... using the same standards that doctors routinely use to determine time of death ... is confirmed.
 
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