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Toadman005 said:
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Incomplete, but what was presented is mostly correct. But a lot is left out. I would be typing for hours to give a comprehensive response.
Short (relatively short) answers: The US Constitution was undermined since its formation. The supposed issue of slavery being the cause isn't true, but the decades of strife over it compounded the animosity. But nothing changes the fact that after the Confederate States left, the four Union slave states retained their slaves and all of the Union states, while unopposed politically, refused to end slavery. And the eventual abolishment in the Union states wasn't until December 6, 1865, over half a year after the end of hostilities. The states that seceded had to individually abolish slavery before being allowed to re-join the Union (between 1865 and as late as 1870).
The Emancipation Proclamation did not free the slaves from the tenets of US Constitution, it only freed slaves from servitude (the slave ownership didn't end) in the presence of Union troops in occupied Confederate States. Union states and Union controlled territories prior to July 1863 were exempted, and slavery remained in force. Obviously, the abolition of slavery wasn't as critical an item for the US government as advertised. Even four Confederate States refused to seceded over slavery and remained in the Union, until Lincoln called for 75,000 troops to invade the southern states. This tipped the scale for those four states, as secession was constitutionally a right reserved by the states. Not to mention that the Commonwealths of Virginia and Kentucky retained a right to secede before joining the Union, originally, as did the Republic of Texas.
Finally, for now, Fort Sumter was third act of hostilities between the two opposing militaries. The first was February 8th, 1861 (date Confederate Constitution was approved) at Fort Pickens in Pensacola, Florida. Lt. Adam Jacoby Slemmer took his company of US Army troops and abandoned Fort Barrancas (a leased fort) and commandeered Fort Pickens (which was an abandoned Star fort possessed by Florida nearer to the mouth of the bay and under the cover of the guns of the US fleet, just off shore). After peacefully securing the Navy Base, some Confederate troops arrived at Fort Pickens to inspect the presumed abandoned Fort, they were fired upon by the US troops. Slemmer acknowledged he gave the order to fire the first shots of the war. His future obituary in the New York Times (he was a New Yorker) repeats this. As a reward, the Lieutenant was immediately promoted to Brigadier General and had a new defensive fort protecting Washington DC named Fort Slemmer.
The next day, February 9th, The Citadel cadets fired upon the Star of the West resupply ship heading for Fort Sumter. In early April, Lincoln sent the most powerful armada ever assembled, to "resupply" Fort Sumter, forcing Beauregard's hand to take action.
Both sides thought any hostilities would be brief and reconciliations made, just as the Nullification Crisis was resolved by lowering the overbearing tariffs, a generation earlier. However, the Morrill Tariffs Act caused the South to actually secede this time, as they had no political recourse. All peace overtures from the South were rejected. Lincoln and the northern industrialists were going to get their higher southern port tariffs and all their cotton in their factories. 3/4 of a million Americans died for their greed. Most northern public infrastructure (railroads ,wharves, canals, etc.) was paid for with tariffs on slave raise exports.
That's enough for the "short" answer.
 
RuffledFeathers said:
Incomplete, but what was presented is mostly correct. But a lot is left out. I would be typing for hours to give a comprehensive response.
Short (relatively short) answers: The US Constitution was undermined since its formation. The supposed issue of slavery being the cause isn't true, but the decades of strife over it compounded the animosity. But nothing changes the fact that after the Confederate States left, the four Union slave states retained their slaves and all of the Union states, while unopposed politically, refused to end slavery. And the eventual abolishment in the Union states wasn't until December 6, 1865, over half a year after the end of hostilities. The states that seceded had to individually abolish slavery before being allowed to re-join the Union (between 1865 and as late as 1870).
The Emancipation Proclamation did not free the slaves from the tenets of US Constitution, it only freed slaves from servitude (the slave ownership didn't end) in the presence of Union troops in occupied Confederate States. Union states and Union controlled territories prior to July 1863 were exempted, and slavery remained in force. Obviously, the abolition of slavery wasn't as critical an item for the US government as advertised. Even four Confederate States refused to seceded over slavery and remained in the Union, until Lincoln called for 75,000 troops to invade the southern states. This tipped the scale for those four states, as secession was constitutionally a right reserved by the states. Not to mention that the Commonwealths of Virginia and Kentucky retained a right to secede before joining the Union, originally, as did the Republic of Texas.
Finally, for now, Fort Sumter was third act of hostilities between the two opposing militaries. The first was February 8th, 1861 (date Confederate Constitution was approved) at Fort Pickens in Pensacola, Florida. Lt. Adam Jacoby Slemmer took his company of US Army troops and abandoned Fort Barrancas (a leased fort) and commandeered Fort Pickens (which was an abandoned Star fort possessed by Florida nearer to the mouth of the bay and under the cover of the guns of the US fleet, just off shore). After peacefully securing the Navy Base, some Confederate troops arrived at Fort Pickens to inspect the presumed abandoned Fort, they were fired upon by the US troops. Slemmer acknowledged he gave the order to fire the first shots of the war. His future obituary in the New York Times (he was a New Yorker) repeats this. As a reward, the Lieutenant was immediately promoted to Brigadier General and had a new defensive fort protecting Washington DC named Fort Slemmer.
The next day, February 9th, The Citadel cadets fired upon the Star of the West resupply ship heading for Fort Sumter. In early April, Lincoln sent the most powerful armada ever assembled, to "resupply" Fort Sumter, forcing Beauregard's hand to take action.
Both sides thought any hostilities would be brief and reconciliations made, just as the Nullification Crisis was resolved by lowering the overbearing tariffs, a generation earlier. However, the Morrill Tariffs Act caused the South to actually secede this time, as they had no political recourse. All peace overtures from the South were rejected. Lincoln and the northern industrialists were going to get their higher southern port tariffs and all their cotton in their factories. 3/4 of a million Americans died for their greed. Most northern public infrastructure (railroads ,wharves, canals, etc.) was paid for with tariffs on slave raise exports.
That's enough for the "short" answer.
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Ad someone who loves to learn, please, elaborate more. And thank you in advance!
 
RuffledFeathers said:
Incomplete, but what was presented is mostly correct. But a lot is left out. I would be typing for hours to give a comprehensive response.
Short (relatively short) answers: The US Constitution was undermined since its formation. The supposed issue of slavery being the cause isn't true, but the decades of strife over it compounded the animosity. But nothing changes the fact that after the Confederate States left, the four Union slave states retained their slaves and all of the Union states, while unopposed politically, refused to end slavery. And the eventual abolishment in the Union states wasn't until December 6, 1865, over half a year after the end of hostilities. The states that seceded had to individually abolish slavery before being allowed to re-join the Union (between 1865 and as late as 1870).
The Emancipation Proclamation did not free the slaves from the tenets of US Constitution, it only freed slaves from servitude (the slave ownership didn't end) in the presence of Union troops in occupied Confederate States. Union states and Union controlled territories prior to July 1863 were exempted, and slavery remained in force. Obviously, the abolition of slavery wasn't as critical an item for the US government as advertised. Even four Confederate States refused to seceded over slavery and remained in the Union, until Lincoln called for 75,000 troops to invade the southern states. This tipped the scale for those four states, as secession was constitutionally a right reserved by the states. Not to mention that the Commonwealths of Virginia and Kentucky retained a right to secede before joining the Union, originally, as did the Republic of Texas.
Finally, for now, Fort Sumter was third act of hostilities between the two opposing militaries. The first was February 8th, 1861 (date Confederate Constitution was approved) at Fort Pickens in Pensacola, Florida. Lt. Adam Jacoby Slemmer took his company of US Army troops and abandoned Fort Barrancas (a leased fort) and commandeered Fort Pickens (which was an abandoned Star fort possessed by Florida nearer to the mouth of the bay and under the cover of the guns of the US fleet, just off shore). After peacefully securing the Navy Base, some Confederate troops arrived at Fort Pickens to inspect the presumed abandoned Fort, they were fired upon by the US troops. Slemmer acknowledged he gave the order to fire the first shots of the war. His future obituary in the New York Times (he was a New Yorker) repeats this. As a reward, the Lieutenant was immediately promoted to Brigadier General and had a new defensive fort protecting Washington DC named Fort Slemmer.
The next day, February 9th, The Citadel cadets fired upon the Star of the West resupply ship heading for Fort Sumter. In early April, Lincoln sent the most powerful armada ever assembled, to "resupply" Fort Sumter, forcing Beauregard's hand to take action.
Both sides thought any hostilities would be brief and reconciliations made, just as the Nullification Crisis was resolved by lowering the overbearing tariffs, a generation earlier. However, the Morrill Tariffs Act caused the South to actually secede this time, as they had no political recourse. All peace overtures from the South were rejected. Lincoln and the northern industrialists were going to get their higher southern port tariffs and all their cotton in their factories. 3/4 of a million Americans died for their greed. Most northern public infrastructure (railroads ,wharves, canals, etc.) was paid for with tariffs on slave raise exports.
That's enough for the "short" answer.
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