Pete Rose, Shoeless Joe Reinstated to MLB

Pete got hosed for years imo but Joe Jackson is another story. He helped throw a World Series while taking mafia money.

Dispute over Jackson's guilt​

Babe Ruth and Joe Jackson in 1920
Jackson's involvement in the scandal remains controversial to this day. He reportedly refused the $5,000 bribe twice—even though it would effectively double his salary—only to have teammate Lefty Williams toss the cash on the floor of his hotel room. Jackson then tried to tell White Sox owner Charles Comiskey about the fix. Still, Comiskey refused to meet with him.[29] Unable to afford legal counsel, Jackson was represented by team attorney Alfred Austrian—a clear conflict of interest. Before Jackson's grand jury testimony, Austrian allegedly elicited Jackson's admission of his supposed role in the fix by plying him with whiskey.[21] Austrian also persuaded the nearly illiterate Jackson to sign a waiver of immunity from prosecution.[29]

Years later, the other seven players implicated in the scandal confirmed that Jackson was never at any meetings. Williams said they only mentioned Jackson's name to give their plot more credibility, although he did not say why Jackson would have been paid $5,000 had that been the case. Jackson's performance during the series itself lends further credence to his assertions, although the game records show that he hit far better during the "clean" games than those thrown.[21] A 1993 article in The American Statistician reported the results of a statistical analysis of Jackson's contribution during the 1919 World Series and concluded that there was "substantial support to Jackson's subsequent claims of innocence".[30]

An article in the September 2009 issue of Chicago Lawyer magazine argued that Eliot Asinof's 1963 book Eight Men Out, purporting to confirm Jackson's guilt, was based on inaccurate information. For example, Jackson never confessed to throwing the series as Asinof claimed. Further, Asinof omitted key facts from publicly available documents, such as the 1920 grand jury records and proceedings of Jackson's successful 1924 lawsuit against Comiskey to recover back pay for the 1920 and 1921 seasons. Asinof's use of fictional characters within a supposedly non-fiction account also damaged the book's historical accuracy.[31]

In 1989, MLB Commissioner A. Bartlett Giamatti declined to reinstate Jackson because the case was "now best given to historical analysis and debate as opposed to a present-day review with an eye to reinstatement."[32] In November 1999, the U.S. House of Representatives passed a resolution lauding Jackson's sporting achievements and encouraging MLB to rescind his ineligibility. The resolution was symbolic since the U.S. government had no jurisdiction in the matter, and Jackson died in 1951, some 48 years earlier. Commissioner Bud Selig stated that Jackson's case was under review, but no decision was issued during Selig's tenure.[33] In 2015, the Shoeless Joe Jackson Museum formally petitioned Commissioner Rob Manfred for reinstatement, on grounds that Jackson had "more than served his sentence" in the 95 years since his banishment by Landis. Manfred denied the request after an official review, writing: "The results of this work demonstrate to me that it is not possible now, over 95 years since those events took place and were considered by Commissioner Landis, to be certain enough of the truth to overrule Commissioner Landis' determinations".[32]

In 2020, ESPN reported that MLB had shifted its policy and that the league "has no hold on banned players after they die because the ineligible list bars players from privileges that include a job with a major league club." It is unclear how that might affect Jackson's Hall of Fame prospects.[34]

On May 13, 2025, Manfred announced that MLB had changed its policy such that all players were removed from the permanently ineligible list upon death. With this decision, Jackson was once more eligible for the Hall of Fame.[35] Jackson, along with other reinstated players, will be eligible for consideration by the Hall of Fame's Classic Baseball Era Committee in 2027.[36]


Career statistics​

See baseball statistics for an explanation of these statistics.


GABH2B3BHRRRBIBBSOAVGOBPSLGFP
1,3324,9811,77230716854873785519158.356.423.517.964

Later life​

Jackson and his wife Katie on their wedding day in 1908
During the remaining 20 years of his baseball career, Jackson played with and managed several semi-professional teams, most located in Georgia and South Carolina, under assumed names.[37] In 1922, Jackson moved to Savannah, Georgia, and opened a dry cleaning business with his wife.

In 1933, the Jacksons moved back to Greenville, South Carolina. After opening a barbecue restaurant, Jackson and his wife opened "Joe Jackson's Liquor Store", which they operated until his death. One of the better-known stories of Jackson's post-major league life occurred at the store. Ty Cobb and sportswriter Grantland Rice entered the store, with Jackson showing no sign of recognition of Cobb. After making his purchase, Cobb finally asked Jackson, "Don't you know me, Joe?" Jackson replied, "Sure, I know you, Ty, but I wasn't sure you wanted to know me. A lot of them don't."[38]

As he aged, Jackson began to suffer from heart trouble. In 1951, at the age of 64, he died of a heart attack.[37] Jackson was the first of the eight banned players to die and is buried at Woodlawn Memorial Park in Greenville.[39] He had no children, but he and his wife raised two of his nephews.
 
It's about fucking time. Both got fucked by MLB. Did Rose bet on baseball, emphatically, yes. Did he bet on his own team? Absolutely....the investigation proved it. The investigation also proved he always bet on his team to win. That ain't cheating, that's belief in yourself and your team.
It doesn't have to be cheating to against the rules. It doesn't have to have bad intent to compromise the very game itself. I don't care if he gets in or not, but the ban was proper while Pete was alive, IMHO.
 
It doesn't have to be cheating to against the rules. It doesn't have to have bad intent to compromise the very game itself. I don't care if he gets in or not, but the ban was proper while Pete was alive, IMHO.
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It doesn't have to be cheating to against the rules. It doesn't have to have bad intent to compromise the very game itself. I don't care if he gets in or not, but the ban was proper while Pete was alive, IMHO.
That's fair and I understand your point. My argument was against a blanket rule. The rules should be written in a way that each case can be judged on merit. Anything less is just laziness on the part of the rule makers.
 
That's fair and I understand your point. My argument was against a blanket rule. The rules should be written in a way that each case can be judged on merit. Anything less is just laziness on the part of the rule makers.
In general I agree about blanket and zero tolerance policies but there has to also be hard boundaries too. The best counterpoint to the "he only bet on them to win" point is that how many personnel calls did he make on say relievers and rotations that might have one one game but at the cost of a loss or couple of losses in the following games? In all fairness, I don't believe his betting was a factor in his on field decisions because IMHO it was just his nature to try everything possible to win the game you are playing and worry about tomorrow's game tomorrow.
 
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