Iran

Toadman005 said:
Well, to surmise, yes that is part of it. The conflict has proven that their control over the strait of Homuz can do more damage than a nuclear warhead ever could. They're helping establish China as the voice of stability and authority globally.
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LOL! They are doing no such thing. Of course China is trying to calm the waters. China desperately needs oil! Its their achilles heel.
Toadman005 said:
They'cve shown the rest of the middle east that the "empirical" American/Israeli coalition can be resisted and beaten.
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No. They haven't beaten anyone. They've taken a beating.
Toadman005 said:
Their regime hardliners will be even more bold and confident.
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They'll be lucky to survive. I have my doubts that they will.
Toadman005 said:
Actually, you could have AI summarize it far better than me, but it was an interesting watch/listen.
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yawn. I've heard all this boring shit before. It was entirely predictable. It sure as hell ain't like they've won any engagements. So those who WANT to portray Iran as "winning" have to try to spin it this way.
 
Deathroll said:
LOL! They are doing no such thing. Of course China is trying to calm the waters. China desperately needs oil! Its their achilles heel.

No. They haven't beaten anyone. They've taken a beating.

They'll be lucky to survive. I have my doubts that they will.

yawn. I've heard all this boring shit before. It was entirely predictable. It sure as hell ain't like they've won any engagements. So those who WANT to portray Iran as "winning" have to try to spin it this way.
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Alright. I am merely posting a video (videos) for people to view, if they wish, with people more knowledgeable than me discussing the issue(s) in detail and seemingly impartially. I am not claiming they are right, nor agreeing with their assessments, and even if or when I do, I do not detect an antt-American or anti-Trump bias or agenda, which certainly I don't have. It seems you take issue with the videos without even listening to them then wish to debate them with me, and by debate them, I mean dismiss them after making assumptions about them. Am I wrong? (and I don't mean anything by asking, it's just, I am sharing information, not looking to argue)
 
Toadman005 said:
Alright. I am merely posting a video (videos) for people to view, if they wish, with people more knowledgeable than me discussing the issue(s) in detail and seemingly impartially. I am not claiming they are right, nor agreeing with their assessments, and even if or when I do, I do not detect an antt-American or anti-Trump bias or agenda, which certainly I don't have. It seems you take issue with the videos without even listening to them then wish to debate them with me, and by debate them, I mean dismiss them after making assumptions about them. Am I wrong? (and I don't mean anything by asking, it's just, I am sharing information, not looking to argue)
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STFU you low IQ hypocritical lying peice of dogsh1t.
 
Deathroll said:
LOL! They are doing no such thing. Of course China is trying to calm the waters. China desperately needs oil! Its their achilles heel.

No. They haven't beaten anyone. They've taken a beating.

They'll be lucky to survive. I have my doubts that they will.

yawn. I've heard all this boring shit before. It was entirely predictable. It sure as hell ain't like they've won any engagements. So those who WANT to portray Iran as "winning" have to try to spin it this way.
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I was told we defeated Iran dozens of times already. What else have the liars covered up?
 
Toadman005 said:
Alright. I am merely posting a video (videos) for people to view, if they wish, with people more knowledgeable than me discussing the issue(s) in detail and seemingly impartially. I am not claiming they are right, nor agreeing with their assessments, and even if or when I do, I do not detect an antt-American or anti-Trump bias or agenda, which certainly I don't have. It seems you take issue with the videos without even listening to them
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I've listened to so many of them. That's how I knew what he was going to say before he said it.
Toadman005 said:
then wish to debate them with me,
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Not debate with you.....refute what I regard as BS being spewed in the video
Toadman005 said:
and by debate them, I mean dismiss them after making assumptions about them. Am I wrong? (and I don't mean anything by asking, it's just, I am sharing information, not looking to argue)
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I'm addressing the points they make and refuting most of them....sometimes I agree but usually not. If you'll remember, I was against going in at all. I thought the Iranian regime would be harder to drive out and it would take longer than the administration clearly thought it would. That said, its been a pretty one sided beatdown.

One of the really BIG stories is that top tier American weapons and equipment twice got matched up against top tier Russian/Chinese equipment and the (especially Chinese) systems proved to be absolutely no match. The threat environment for planes was supposed to be too great. It was supposed to basically keep planes out of the battlespace. That's not what happened in either Venezuela or Iran. It was a one sided ass whooping.

That's got to give China serious pause.......
 
Right or wrong the U.S is pretty well committed to the fight. If we back out now it becomes, even more than it already is, "a call to arms" so to speak for even more radicalization for the inbreds in the mideast. Whether you want to admit it or not, our children and grandchildren will be thankful, though they won't fully realize it, if we erase that barbaric culture before it completely destroys our way of life. It should have been stopped decades ago before it infested Europe again, Spain and then france in the 700s, but our "leaders" were too damn dumb, pussies, or beholden to interests that were not for western cultures benefit.
We need another Charles the hammer Martel, Peppin the short and Charlemagne finally finished the job in France.
 
Toadman005 said:
You served Israel?

I believe that...
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Me ('82). Let's see yours.

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