Official Proof Democrats hate America thread

You cult boys read up on those two articles and I'll be back in a few hours to converse. Or you can just keep regurgitating what OAN and Newsmax and Fox News tell you to be outraged over. Your mind is destroyed. I truly hope you lose friends and family. Talk to you soon guys!
 
FrankyVols said:
You cult boys read up on those two articles and I'll be back in a few hours to converse. Or you can just keep regurgitating what OAN and Newsmax and Fox News tell you to be outraged over. Your mind is destroyed. I truly hope you lose friends and family. Talk to you soon guys!
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I think we're all ready to converse now. We're quite aware of what regurgitated CNN articles say...
 
Okay, that was a little harsh. My apologies. Let's start with the list and get some easy ones out of the way so your team can score some early points:

  • Putin took Crimea while Obama was in office. Correct. The annexation "vote" was in March of 2014, when Obama was President.
  • Putin "crossed the line" that Obama set in Syria. Correct. Unfortunately I think this was a tough spot--much like Biden is facing today. Assad used chemical weapons after we stated that was the one line he couldn't cross, and then our response was pretty weak.
  • Trump sanctioned Russia more than any other President (until possibly the past week). You have a link? I'm not being a smartass. This one is tough to measure or quantify. I did just read that when Trump "reluctantly" signed the CAATSA sanctions that were OVERWHELMINGLY passed by Congress, but when he signed them into law (he would have been overturned if he had vetoed), he expressed regret and said that Congress was impeding on his ability to conduct foreign affairs. Also, I know in 2019 Trump (through the Treasury Department) listed some sanctions against an oligarch who had close ties to Putin. I think the House/Senate overturned? In any event, I'll grant you that Trump definitely did sanction Russia during his Presidency. I just don't believe his were the most severe. But honestly that is hard to measure so skip this bullet point.
 
  • Trump fired missiles at Russia friendly Syria during the Shayrat strike; which "substantially impair[ed]" Russia–United States relations. I am really surprised you're bringing up Trump and his actions in Syria to demonstrate his toughness on Russia. Is there any reasonable person who doesn't see our withdrawal as a direct benefit to Russia (and China, in terms of establishing the dominant player in the region)? I won't even rip Trump for the withdrawal. We need to get out of those conflicts where we have no real path to win. Like Afghanistan. Also, wasn't this in response to a chemical attack by Syria? If so, good for Trump. I'll give you a point bro.
  • Trump warned Germany and other EU countries to not become so dependent on Russian energy. This sounds right. Another point. You're winning broseph.
  • Trump sanctioned Nord Stream 2. Agreed. That's just a fact. The tricky part here is that it was private business doing the deal with Russia, but I think the point was to ask the German government to nix the deal due to national security concerns. Okay, so far so good on your list man. Nothing too crazy.
 
  • Putin did not advance on Ukraine (or any other ally) during Trumps tenure. This is maybe our biggest gap in terms of agreement. I mean, this statement is correct. But Putin was massing his army on the border with Ukraine for years, right? And here is where we differ: why would Putin do anything to make it tougher on Trump to take helpful measures during his tenure? You don't agree, but I am positive that Putin helping to elect Trump was his greatest political achievement - I think Trump would have actually considered leaving NATO in his second term. If I'm Putin, I let the fat little man who worships me have an easier time in office to continue taking actions that Putin supported.
  • Biden lifted sanctions on Nord Stream 2 within 4 months of taking office. Yes. How bad does this look in hindsight? Terrible. At the time Biden thought it was worth the positive mending of our relationship with Germany.
  • Putin took Donbass region when Biden was in office and is advancing through Ukraine as we speak. Yes. He's a lunatic.
  • Putin may not be paying Biden (who knows, Biden family has gained from so many foreign "investors" it's hard to keep track) but Putin certainly feels he can take what he wants when the Dems are in office. I do not agree. I think Putin would give anything to have Trump be in office today so Trump could continue to do the work Putin wants him to do.
 
In any event, upon further reflection, that wasn't a bad list. I don't want to defend Biden in all areas. Here is something I can never get over though-and I know many of you disagree (HIS NAME WAS SETH RICH). I fully believe the Russian government sponsored the individuals who hacked the DNC. I think these individuals then coordinated with members of Trump's campaign team in the timing of release, and to give them other info (including sensitive polling data). I think when our intelligence community concluded that Russia did it, and then Trump stood beside Putin and said "I don't see any reason why Russia would do it," that was it for me. That was a clear indication to me that Trump felt beholden to Russia and Putin. I've also witnessed the man gush praise on Putin up through a week or so ago. And what made that so good was that when Trump returned to the States he said misspoke and was saying he sees no reason why it WASN'T Russia who did it, which was insulting to everyone's intelligence.
 
Toadman005 said:
Even were I to concede that, as I don’t feel like debating it, and I know you won’t, that’s not Biden, is it?
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No clue what point you're trying to make. It is a tough spot for Biden as the leader of the United States, a member of NATO. It is also going to continue to create conditions that will help what was already going to be a murderous midterm for the Democrats. You should be thrilled with $6 gas so your "team" can win bro.
 
FrankyVols said:
Putin did not advance on Ukraine (or any other ally) during Trumps tenure. This is maybe our biggest gap in terms of agreement. I mean, this statement is correct.
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You concede his statement is correct and say this is the biggest gap in agreement between you two ... you are actually admitting disagreeing with a correct statement. It is also the only way one can claim to believe in the debunked Russian Collusion narrative, BTW.
 
FrankyVols said:
  • Putin did not advance on Ukraine (or any other ally) during Trumps tenure. This is maybe our biggest gap in terms of agreement. I mean, this statement is correct. But Putin was massing his army on the border with Ukraine for years, right? And here is where we differ: why would Putin do anything to make it tougher on Trump to take helpful measures during his tenure? You don't agree, but I am positive that Putin helping to elect Trump was his greatest political achievement - I think Trump would have actually considered leaving NATO in his second term. If I'm Putin, I let the fat little man who worships me have an easier time in office to continue taking actions that Putin supported.
  • Biden lifted sanctions on Nord Stream 2 within 4 months of taking office. Yes. How bad does this look in hindsight? Terrible. At the time Biden thought it was worth the positive mending of our relationship with Germany.
  • Putin took Donbass region when Biden was in office and is advancing through Ukraine as we speak. Yes. He's a lunatic.
  • Putin may not be paying Biden (who knows, Biden family has gained from so many foreign "investors" it's hard to keep track) but Putin certainly feels he can take what he wants when the Dems are in office. I do not agree. I think Putin would give anything to have Trump be in office today so Trump could continue to do the work Putin wants him to do.
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So, let's look specifically where we disagree, that's where I see things just so much differently than you. If I'm Putin, which of these people do I want in office:

A) They guy who tries to convince other countries to not do business (or not become dependent upon) with Russian energy. The guy who imposes sanctions on the pipeline development to deliver said energy. The guy who actually takes action rather than being weak, allowing lines to be crossed.

B) The guy who opened up my pipeline. Who is more worried about his military being "woke" (Miley is destroying our armed forces). Under who's leadership I've already taken Crimea and Donbass and is not allowing me to walk across Ukraine and his only action is to light up the Whitehouse with blue/yellow lights. Biden is weak, his Afghan withdrawl emboldened Putin - it was such a cluster.

There's no doubt who Putin likes seeing in office more - the one where he get's what he wants unstead of biding his time and waiting for weakness. I'm rambling now because I'm trying to work (that's when you perform activities in exchange for money in a free market rather than just waiting for the government to hand you money they stole from other people).
 
Nod4Eight said:
So, let's look specifically where we disagree, that's where I see things just so much differently than you. If I'm Putin, which of these people do I want in office:

A) They guy who tries to convince other countries to not do business (or not become dependent upon) with Russian energy. The guy who imposes sanctions on the pipeline development to deliver said energy. The guy who actually takes action rather than being weak, allowing lines to be crossed.

B) The guy who opened up my pipeline. Who is more worried about his military being "woke" (Miley is destroying our armed forces). Under who's leadership I've already taken Crimea and Donbass and is not allowing me to walk across Ukraine and his only action is to light up the Whitehouse with blue/yellow lights. Biden is weak, his Afghan withdrawl emboldened Putin - it was such a cluster.

There's no doubt who Putin likes seeing in office more - the one where he get's what he wants unstead of biding his time and waiting for weakness. I'm rambling now because I'm trying to work (that's when you perform activities in exchange for money in a free market rather than just waiting for the government to hand you money they stole from other people).
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We won't agree on this. I actually think it is laughable to think any reasonable adult would think that Putin would choose Biden to be in office over Trump. We know for absolute certain Putin interfered in the 2016 election in a manner designed to help elect Trump. Did you ever wonder why Trump chose Paul Manafort to be his campaign chair? Somewhat of an odd choice, no?
 
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