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The pentagram fits too nicely to ignore. 36 degree offsets from a centerline that intersects at a tangent to Nolan's cross is most definitely NOT a natural formation. The paintings may not be the source, but a pentagram appears to have been used. The 1347 map corroborates the swamp, now known to be man made, far before the 1600's. The sediment core samples give an approximation date of 1220. This date may be in error, but not likely to off by nearly 500 years. The 1398 Templar voyage, led by Sir Henry Sinclair, mentioned in the show several times, seems likely legit from research I've done myself (family research, Henry is my 20th great grandfather) He became associated with a noted Venetian Admiral and medieval cartographer and explored and mapped in the Greenland area as a prelude to the America voyage. Henry was known to take in refugee Templars on his Roslyn estate in Scotland. I think the voyage happened, but don't think it involved any treasure, maybe a followup to the trip that produced the 1347 map.
 
RuffledFeathers said:
The pentagram fits too nicely to ignore. 36 degree offsets from a centerline that intersects at a tangent to Nolan's cross is most definitely NOT a natural formation. The paintings may not be the source, but a pentagram appears to have been used. The 1347 map corroborates the swamp, now known to be man made, far before the 1600's. The sediment core samples give an approximation date of 1220. This date may be in error, but not likely to off by nearly 500 years. The 1398 Templar voyage, led by Sir Henry Sinclair, mentioned in the show several times, seems likely legit from research I've done myself (family research, Henry is my 20th great grandfather) He became associated with a noted Venetian Admiral and medieval cartographer and explored and mapped in the Greenland area as a prelude to the America voyage. Henry was known to take in refugee Templars on his Roslyn estate in Scotland. I think the voyage happened, but don't think it involved any treasure, maybe a followup to the trip that produced the 1347 map.
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Your breadth and depth of knowledge never ceases to amaze me...
 
RuffledFeathers said:
The pentagram fits too nicely to ignore. 36 degree offsets from a centerline that intersects at a tangent to Nolan's cross is most definitely NOT a natural formation. The paintings may not be the source, but a pentagram appears to have been used. The 1347 map corroborates the swamp, now known to be man made, far before the 1600's. The sediment core samples give an approximation date of 1220. This date may be in error, but not likely to off by nearly 500 years. The 1398 Templar voyage, led by Sir Henry Sinclair, mentioned in the show several times, seems likely legit from research I've done myself (family research, Henry is my 20th great grandfather) He became associated with a noted Venetian Admiral and medieval cartographer and explored and mapped in the Greenland area as a prelude to the America voyage. Henry was known to take in refugee Templars on his Roslyn estate in Scotland. I think the voyage happened, but don't think it involved any treasure, maybe a followup to the trip that produced the 1347 map.
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Just an interesting side note that I don't think a lot of people realize, us natives on the east coast are all relatively related and talked a lot. A lot of us had encounters with Europeans before Columbus which is why we were shocked and not ready when the Spanish arrived going scorched Earth.

There's actually detailed summaries from our Canadian relatives of trading with Europeans (more thank likely Vikings) before Columbus and actually at one point a tribe thought they were poisoned because of what we now know to be cheese and the continents lactose intolerance.

Cherokee wise, we had two encounters before our first recorded encounter by Hernando DeSoto. It was actually why we were shocked we had to fight DeSoto (we won btw).

Our two stories depicted firstly, explorers looking for Giants, it's where we told them about Stonecoat the rock golem who carved mountains.

The second was a group lost and wandering and we cared for them until they got better.

So, I forgot where I was going with this but, the account of Columbus is BS and us tribes on the east coast know it.
 
CowpokeU said:
Just an interesting side note that I don't think a lot of people realize, us natives on the east coast are all relatively related and talked a lot. A lot of us had encounters with Europeans before Columbus which is why we were shocked and not ready when the Spanish arrived going scorched Earth.

There's actually detailed summaries from our Canadian relatives of trading with Europeans (more thank likely Vikings) before Columbus and actually at one point a tribe thought they were poisoned because of what we now know to be cheese and the continents lactose intolerance.

Cherokee wise, we had two encounters before our first recorded encounter by Hernando DeSoto. It was actually why we were shocked we had to fight DeSoto (we won btw).

Our two stories depicted firstly, explorers looking for Giants, it's where we told them about Stonecoat the rock golem who carved mountains.

The second was a group lost and wandering and we cared for them until they got better.

So, I forgot where I was going with this but, the account of Columbus is BS and us tribes on the east coast know it.
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This reminds me (early European contact) to make a correction to prior posts I made in the past. I just found out, last week, that my Gibson line (part Native American) does not go back to the Saponi. That guy (of the same name) was a second cousin, once removed, to my line, and trading with the Saponi in their valley. I found out my line is believed to be from Thomas Gibson (1608 Jamestown, second supply ship) who had a Pamunkey/Mattaponi wife/partner (same Algonquin tribe, adjacent to Jamestown, that Pocahontas came from). Thomas was a cooper/shipwright and one of the primary persons building Chief Powhatan's European style house. So my previous references, in the past to Saponi, were in error.
 
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To catch you up on the history, we funded a support dog in memory of DawgEStyle. His real life name Was Bobby Dollar. Hence the dog's name, Dollar:

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Go ahead and unpin. 😊

A couple of familiar faces for their Giving Tuesday post.
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Because of DawgE's greatest wish some of us got together for the first ever get together in Charlotte:



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Then a bunch of us got together for @OldDevilDawg's wedding:

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Then a bunch of us got together for @Nod4Eight 's wedding, including many from our left coast contingent. Do not have pics uploaded from that one yet... Anybody got one from it?
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Thanks! I conflated DawgE with Smitty. I knew it didn't sound right, but as good as VT's vet school is … it about made sense. I do remember realizing that y'all had a really special group of folks, especially when I was used to the ESPN boards and as much as I wanted to join the community ... it was worth it just to observe for a variety of reasons at the time.
 
RuffledFeathers said:
The pentagram fits too nicely to ignore. 36 degree offsets from a centerline that intersects at a tangent to Nolan's cross is most definitely NOT a natural formation. The paintings may not be the source, but a pentagram appears to have been used. The 1347 map corroborates the swamp, now known to be man made, far before the 1600's. The sediment core samples give an approximation date of 1220. This date may be in error, but not likely to off by nearly 500 years. The 1398 Templar voyage, led by Sir Henry Sinclair, mentioned in the show several times, seems likely legit from research I've done myself (family research, Henry is my 20th great grandfather) He became associated with a noted Venetian Admiral and medieval cartographer and explored and mapped in the Greenland area as a prelude to the America voyage. Henry was known to take in refugee Templars on his Roslyn estate in Scotland. I think the voyage happened, but don't think it involved any treasure, maybe a followup to the trip that produced the 1347 map.
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First off, thanks for the information … freaking amazing. I suffer a bit of Templar burnout and the same applies to da Vinci/Illuminati theories as well. It is just that there is so much attributed to them that is patently false and based on fabricated evidence or pure conjecture that I just tune it out reflexively. TBH, I am really skeptical that there was a 1398 voyage … not because the voyage was impossible but rather whenever I have read about it there is always accompanying claims that it was to hide the Arc/Holy Grail or protect Jesus' bloodline or something to that effect. When history is blurred with fiction from a source, I tend to view it all as being for entertainment purposes only because it takes too much time and effort to separate the facts from the fiction. I really hope and am starting to believe that the 1347 map is legit and that opens up a world of possibilities.

CowpokeU said:
Just an interesting side note that I don't think a lot of people realize, us natives on the east coast are all relatively related and talked a lot. A lot of us had encounters with Europeans before Columbus which is why we were shocked and not ready when the Spanish arrived going scorched Earth.

There's actually detailed summaries from our Canadian relatives of trading with Europeans (more thank likely Vikings) before Columbus and actually at one point a tribe thought they were poisoned because of what we now know to be cheese and the continents lactose intolerance.

Cherokee wise, we had two encounters before our first recorded encounter by Hernando DeSoto. It was actually why we were shocked we had to fight DeSoto (we won btw).

Our two stories depicted firstly, explorers looking for Giants, it's where we told them about Stonecoat the rock golem who carved mountains.

The second was a group lost and wandering and we cared for them until they got better.

So, I forgot where I was going with this but, the account of Columbus is BS and us tribes on the east coast know it.
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Thanks, that is really interesting! I have always thought that at least the Vikings and Chinese have been to North America and even that it was possible that the Minoans did as well. I have read that there were contacts pre Columbus but never any details. I have never heard of Stonecoat but after a quick google search, I am going to read about him more tomorrow.
 
CowpokeU said:
Just an interesting side note that I don't think a lot of people realize, us natives on the east coast are all relatively related and talked a lot. A lot of us had encounters with Europeans before Columbus which is why we were shocked and not ready when the Spanish arrived going scorched Earth.

There's actually detailed summaries from our Canadian relatives of trading with Europeans (more thank likely Vikings) before Columbus and actually at one point a tribe thought they were poisoned because of what we now know to be cheese and the continents lactose intolerance.

Cherokee wise, we had two encounters before our first recorded encounter by Hernando DeSoto. It was actually why we were shocked we had to fight DeSoto (we won btw).

Our two stories depicted firstly, explorers looking for Giants, it's where we told them about Stonecoat the rock golem who carved mountains.

The second was a group lost and wandering and we cared for them until they got better.

So, I forgot where I was going with this but, the account of Columbus is BS and us tribes on the east coast know it.
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Interesting. May have been a different processing of cheese back then? I am lactose intolerant and can eat cheese with no issue (processing changes the lactose) . Perhaps it was a disease they had no immunity to?
 
batchaps4me said:
Thanks! I conflated DawgE with Smitty. I knew it didn't sound right, but as good as VT's vet school is … it about made sense. I do remember realizing that y'all had a really special group of folks, especially when I was used to the ESPN boards and as much as I wanted to join the community ... it was worth it just to observe for a variety of reasons at the time.
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I'm just glad you showed up. I knew pretty quick you was a good'un. Then the whole Rivals debacle happened and you ended up on the hoop. Now we are finally back together here. I ain't gonna sex you or anything like that, but I kinda like you.
 
OldDevilDawg said:
I'm just glad you showed up. I knew pretty quick you was a good'un. Then the whole Rivals debacle happened and you ended up on the hoop. Now we are finally back together here. I ain't gonna sex you or anything like that, but I kinda like you.
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I have to rethink things now that sex is off the table … the best way I can put it is y'all remind me of a bunch of navy buddies. Give each other a bunch of shit, but will be there when there is a need.
 
batchaps4me said:
I have to rethink things now that sex is off the table … the best way I can put it is y'all remind me of a bunch of navy buddies. Give each other a bunch of shit, but will be there when there is a need.
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We're family. I remember when I was a kid, my older brother told others, "Ain't nobody allowed to beat his ass but me."
 
batchaps4me said:
I am going to have to catch my wife asleep to tell mine. I see a thread happening over coffee in the morning.
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I know, right. Most of the stories I tell here from those days ….I tell them when my wife is nowhere around. Lots of our posters here are friends with her. They could blackmail the shit out of me if they wanted to.
 
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I wouldn't really get in trouble but she damned sure don't want to see/hear about it.
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Mine actually wants to know all of it. Even the "ugly". We were best friends climbing tree together 40 years ago. Back when neither of us knew anything about hormones. Life took us in different directions. Then life found us together like both our Moms expected all those years ago. We got posters here that attended our wedding and heard our Moms say that.

I still ain't sure she wants to hear "it all". I did some SERIOUSLY sketchy shit back in the day.
 
OldDevilDawg said:
Mine actually wants to know all of it. Even the "ugly". We were best friends climbing tree together 40 years ago. Back when neither of us knew anything about hormones. Life took us in different directions. Then life found us together like both our Moms expected all those years ago. We got posters here that attended our wedding and heard our Moms say that.

I still ain't sure she wants to hear "it all". I did some SERIOUSLY sketchy shit back in the day.
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Me and mine got married after three months of living together. I gave her the general overview and a couple of the worst stories and have a standing offer to answer anything, but in the end we decided that we both had a past and as long as we could trust each other it really didn't matter. And yes, I have done some redneck bullshit … I mean some bullshit that people in the central Alabama boonies from the 60-70s were ashamed to be seen with me …
 
batchaps4me said:
Me and mine got married after three months of living together. I gave her the general overview and a couple of the worst stories and have a standing offer to answer anything, but in the end we decided that we both had a past and as long as we could trust each other it really didn't matter. And yes, I have done some redneck bullshit … I mean some bullshit that people in the central Alabama boonies from the 60-70s were ashamed to be seen with me …
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So you fucked you sister instead of your cousin? I mean, how much worse can it get?
 
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