Serious Conversation: COVID-19 and College Football

FQ_Caroline said:
You think the whole season will be lost? Or just a pushed back starting date with OOC games cancelled?
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That is an excellent question and great Plan B if needed ... IF that were to happen, I hope for a one year 6 or 8 team playoff with all of the P5 conference champs because there is no way to compare conference strength.
 
batchaps4me said:
That is an excellent question and great Plan B if needed ... IF that were to happen, I hope for a one year 6 or 8 team playoff with all of the P5 conference champs because there is no way to compare conference strength.
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I doubt an expanded CFP would happen. Everything would already be pushed back anyway. Maybe go back to the BCS system for a year? But I think there would be enough metrics (assuming all in conference games are played) to have some sort of comparison, even if it is a limited data set.
 
FQ_Caroline said:
I doubt an expanded CFP would happen. Everything would already be pushed back anyway. Maybe go back to the BCS system for a year? But I think there would be enough metrics (assuming all in conference games are played) to have some sort of comparison, even if it is a limited data set.
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Dream killer! 😜 That was the closest thing I had to fantasy football this year too ...
 
Kace-1 said:
The whole thing. Hopefully I'm wrong.
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Listened to the Chuck Oliver show yesterday and he and a guest (I forget who) talked about the (well, 111 of 130 AD's) Athletic Directors 3 possible scenarios.

Scenario 1: October and November only football consisting of only conference games. No OOC. Would require all conferences to play 9 CG's. Downside would be devastating to non power 5 programs. Notre Dame would have to play exclusively ACC. Teams without enough opponents would have to play independents to fill out.
Scenario 2: A split season. Mid-October - November, break, January-February, a "March Madness" bowl season.. Downside? Major (month long) layoff, harder to rank teams.
Scenario 3: A purely spring season (January - April). Downside is, well, no fall football, and 2 seasons in one calendar year, eligibility issues, player health, etc.

All AD's agreed that season was essential fr budget, but, also acknowledge most Universitiy's presidents may not allow students to return for fall semester. if that's the case, no students = no student athletes, meaning NO SEASON.


And, FUCK CHINA.
 
Toadman005 said:
Listened to the Chuck Oliver show yesterday and he and a guest (I forget who) talked about the (well, 111 of 130 AD's) Athletic Directors 3 possible scenarios.

Scenario 1: October and November only football consisting of only conference games. No OOC. Would require all conferences to play 9 CG's. Downside would be devastating to non power 5 programs. Notre Dame would have to play exclusively ACC. Teams without enough opponents would have to play independents to fill out.
Scenario 2: A split season. Mid-October - November, break, January-February, a "March Madness" bowl season.. Downside? Major (month long) layoff, harder to rank teams.
Scenario 3: A purely spring season (January - April). Downside is, well, no fall football, and 2 seasons in one calendar year, eligibility issues, player health, etc.

All AD's agreed that season was essential fr budget, but, also acknowledge most Universitiy's presidents may not allow students to return for fall semester. if that's the case, no students = no student athletes, meaning NO SEASON.


And, FUCK CHINA.
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I would think scenario 1 makes the most sense, mainly because it is just so similar to a regular season. I don't see scenario 3 being pulled off. There's too much that happens in spring for them to also pull off a football season. Because then even the 2021 season would be messed up. Also, I get the whole "fuck China" sentiment but our country as a whole could've handled this MUCH better.
 
FQ_Caroline said:
I would think scenario 1 makes the most sense, mainly because it is just so similar to a regular season. I don't see scenario 3 being pulled off. There's too much that happens in spring for them to also pull off a football season. Because then even the 2021 season would be messed up. Also, I get the whole "fuck China" sentiment but our country as a whole could've handled this MUCH better.
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I'd rather have no season than any of these options, honestly. As for America handling it better, I agree. Greed, globalism, TDS, and political correctness caused a whole load of issues. That said, we handled it far better than many other countries.
 
FQ_Caroline said:
I would think scenario 1 makes the most sense, mainly because it is just so similar to a regular season. I don't see scenario 3 being pulled off. There's too much that happens in spring for them to also pull off a football season. Because then even the 2021 season would be messed up. Also, I get the whole "fuck China" sentiment but our country as a whole could've handled this MUCH better.
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Actually, I think you may be missing the point. China has blood of thousands on it's hand the entire world over. They extremely underplayed the true extent of the virus in their country. The kept out W.H.O. , withheld virus samples, and flat out lied to the world. Their true liability in all this is still being determined. China has alienated whatever good will they had built-up. Being that we didn't get their data and true numbers, our response reflected that. The data out of South Korea was bad, but was being contained, primarily because it was a hotspot tied to specific religous group, and basically contained to that group before it could spread across the country. So a flat curve, and no need to panic, yet. Iran also stayed coy with their numbers. We didn't get alarming numbers until Italy exploded into neighboring countries, with a climbing curve rate. We have only just recently acquired enough data to correlate our curve to a Italy type curve happening in our country. Hence the current state of affairs. If China had released their data, we would have been in shut down mode in late January and probably already in a significant downward curve pattern. In January, we did shut down incoming flights for Chinese nationals, based on the false data. And that was derided as being racist. Had China been upfront, we would have cut flights, then, to levels being seen now. In regards to our actions, bear in mind every action out of DC is second guessed and scrutinized. Hard numbers are expected to enact emergency powers, and we're just getting the firm really bad projections (Italy type) now. April will be horrific, per current projections. So don't anyone dare cut China any slack for their responsbilty in this mess.
 
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RuffledFeathers said:
Actually, I think you may be missing the point. China has blood of thousands on it's hand the entire world over. They extremely underplayed the true extent of the virus in their country. The kept out W.H.O. , withheld virus samples, and flat out lied to the world. Their true liability in all this is still being determined. China has alienated whatever good will they had built-up. Being that we didn't get their data and true numbers, our response reflected that. The data out of South Korea was bad, but was being contained, primarily because it was a hotspot tied to specific religous group, and basically contained to that group before it could spread across the country. So a flat curve, and no need to panic, yet. Iran also stayed coy with their numbers. We didn't get alarming numbers until Italy exploded into neighboring countries, with a climbing curve rate. We have only just recently acquired enough data to correlate our curve to a Italy type curve happening in our country. Hence the current state of affairs. If China had released their data, we would have been in shut down mode in late January and probably already in a significant downward curve pattern. In January, we did shut down incoming flights for Chinese nationals, based on the false data. And that was derided as being racist. Had China been upfront, we would have cut flights, then, to levels being seen now. In regards to our actions, bear in mind every action out of DC is second guessed and scrutinized. Hard numbers are expected to enact emergency powers, and we're just getting the firm really bad projections (Italy type) now. April will be horrific, per current projections. So don't anyone dare cut China any slack for their responsbilty in this mess.
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Amen.
 
RuffledFeathers said:
Actually, I think you may be missing the point. China has blood of thousands on it's hand the entire world over. They extremely underplayed the true extent of the virus in their country. The kept out W.H.O. , withheld virus samples, and flat out lied to the world. Their true liability in all this is still being determined. China has alienated whatever good will they had built-up. Being that we didn't get their data and true numbers, our response reflected that. The data out of South Korea was bad, but was being contained, primarily because it was a hotspot tied to specific religous group, and basically contained to that group before it could spread across the country. So a flat curve, and no need to panic, yet. Iran also stayed coy with their numbers. We didn't get alarming numbers until Italy exploded into neighboring countries, with a climbing curve rate. We have only just recently acquired enough data to correlate our curve to a Italy type curve happening in our country. Hence the current state of affairs. If China had released their data, we would have been in shut down mode in late January and probably already in a significant downward curve pattern. In January, we did shut down incoming flights for Chinese nationals, based on the false data. And that was derided as being racist. Had China been upfront, we would have cut flights, then, to levels being seen now. In regards to our actions, bear in mind every action out of DC is second guessed and scrutinized. Hard numbers are expected to enact emergency powers, and we're just getting the firm really bad projections (Italy type) now. April will be horrific, per current projections. So don't anyone dare cut China any slack for their responsbilty in this mess.
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I'm curious where you read that I was cutting China any slack? Yeah, they royally fucked up and should have to answer for that. All I was saying is that we could have done better ... because we could have. Why wait for other countries to report their numbers and then us decide based off of that what to do? Worry about us and focus on us and let everyone else worry about themselves. But maybe I'm biased because I work for a company that has had a pandemic incident response plan in place for the last 15 years and we started getting emails about potential protocol changes back in January. Either way, I don't want to argue about this. We are both entitled to our opinions and I respect yours.
 
FQ_Caroline said:
I'm curious where you read that I was cutting China any slack? Yeah, they royally fucked up and should have to answer for that. All I was saying is that we could have done better ... because we could have. Why wait for other countries to report their numbers and then us decide based off of that what to do? Worry about us and focus on us and let everyone else worry about themselves. But maybe I'm biased because I work for a company that has had a pandemic incident response plan in place for the last 15 years and we started getting emails about potential protocol changes back in January. Either way, I don't want to argue about this. We are both entitled to our opinions and I respect yours.
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I just read that an intelligence report warned of this pandemic happening in China back in November. We are all going to need to ask why did we do good on some things and bad on others at a later date. The only thing that I hope will not be lost is that our government is warned about thousands of potential catastrophic events from across the globe ranging from economic to military to health every year and we cannot nor should not preemptively act on the vast number of warnings. Our gauge should be when was it reasonable to act.
 
batchaps4me said:
I just read that an intelligence report warned of this pandemic happening in China back in November. We are all going to need to ask why did we do good on some things and bad on others at a later date. The only thing that I hope will not be lost is that our government is warned about thousands of potential catastrophic events from across the globe ranging from economic to military to health every year and we cannot nor should not preemptively act on the vast number of warnings. Our gauge should be when was it reasonable to act.
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I completely agree. Every one is going to have a differing opinion on when a reasonable time to act is (and what is considered reasonable) and that is more than okay.
 
FQ_Caroline said:
I'm curious where you read that I was cutting China any slack? Yeah, they royally fucked up and should have to answer for that. All I was saying is that we could have done better ... because we could have. Why wait for other countries to report their numbers and then us decide based off of that what to do? Worry about us and focus on us and let everyone else worry about themselves. But maybe I'm biased because I work for a company that has had a pandemic incident response plan in place for the last 15 years and we started getting emails about potential protocol changes back in January. Either way, I don't want to argue about this. We are both entitled to our opinions and I respect yours.
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You were ignoring the fact that things would have turned out far, far better with truthful info from China and WHO. Despite that, the US handled things fairly rapidly once the truth was out. Look at the timeline (partial excerpt from another thread), we were moving quickly before Italy had its first case. Do note what the WHO/CDC experts were telling people and when. Other than the manufacturer botching the mass production of the CDC Covid test kit, and having to start over, and the president's opponents hampering his actions early on, I don't think any administration could have done better. No attempt to argue, just really didn't think you were truly grasping just had bad China screwed the entire world. Many thousands have died, and many more will shortly, because China deliberately refused to do the right thing. Any perceived mishandling would have been greatly mitigated with proper notice of how lethal and contagious this virus was. If you are speaking about WHO/CDC mishandling things, I agree with you. The WHO in particular.

Timeline:

1/14 WHO tweets that there is no evidence of human to human transmission.
1/23 WHO again says no human to human transmission outside of China.
1/27 WHO raises alert level but is still saying China has it contained.
1/28 CDC states “ While CDC considers covid a serious situation and is taking preparedness measures, the immediate risk in the US is considered low.”
1/29 White House announces Coronavirus Task Force created. Despite WHO/CDC downplaying the risk.
1/31 Trump bans travel from China.
Despite criticism of the action.
2/5 Chuck Schumer in a tweet continues to call Trumps’ travel ban from China “premature.”
2/7 White House’s Coronavirus Task Force gives press briefing.
2/9 White House Coronavirus Task Force meets with all governors regarding virus.
2/21 Italy identifies its very first case in their country.
2/21 CDC tweets that it is working with States for preparedness.
2/24 Trump sent letter to Congress asking for $25B for virus effort.
2/25 there is still no reported community spread in the US.(Per CDC tweet.)
2/27 first community transmission in US.
2/27 Trump appoints Pence to coordinate efforts.
2/29 FIRST reported Covid19 death in US.
 
Kace-1 said:
So we're no longer focusing on the College Football part of the conversation then?
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My bad. I did just buy season tickets for Memphis this fall so I'm going to use them selling tickets as a good sign? I still think we are in the "probably will be an abbreviated season at best" territory but then again, I haven't been keeping up with what experts on it are saying
 
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