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The war against the coronavirus is now a 'war against ourselves:' Doctor
Anjalee Khemlani
Anjalee Khemlani
·Senior Reporter
Tue, August 10, 2021, 5:56 PM


Government officials and health experts are leaning on the private sector to lead the U.S. out of a coronavirus surge caused by the highly infectious Delta variant.
The reason lies largely in the fact that the federal government won't issue a blanket mask or vaccine mandate, and some states are actively fighting mitigation measures.
"We don't have the ability to function as a country," said Dr. Eric Topol, founder and director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute and a top infectious disease expert.
We are facing a "formidable version of the virus, and we have no unity in the battle against it," he added.
Dr. Anthony Fauci said as much on MSNBC Tuesday, noting that while the federal government won't implement mandates, "under certain circumstances, mandates should be done" in the U.S.
New York and Washington are among states mandating government employees be fully vaccinated, while Florida's governor has threatened to withhold funding to schools and salaries of school officials that try to implement mask mandates.
On the flip side, the private sector has taken on the burden to implement mandates — whether it be mask mandates in buildings or vaccinations for employees.
Netflix (NFLX) and Citigroup (C) are among the latest to join the ranks, while Norwegian Cruise Lines (NCLH) is embroiled in a legal battle with Florida as it seeks to mandate passengers be fully vaccinated — which goes against Florida's vaccine passport ban.
"I think it's sad that it's come to that, we shouldn't need to do that," said Dr. Paul Offit, professor of pediatrics at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia and a top vaccine expert.
[Read more: Vaccine mandates: Here are the companies requiring proof of inoculation from employees]
Offit told Yahoo Finance that in addition, vaccination certificates or vaccine passports — required in some European countries and, similarly in New York City — are another key tool the U.S. is not implementing.
It's why the steps Norwegian has taken against Florida could just be the first of many, as the private sector takes on the role of public health officiant, he said.
"That's the fight you're about to see," Offit said.
"It's hard to watch us fight in this because it's not a war just against the virus. In many ways, it's become a war against ourselves," he said.
Offit had particularly strong words for Florida Governor Ron DeSantis for his school mask moratorium. “The governor of Florida has served as a friend of SARS-CoV-2 virus," he sad. “For children less than 12 years of age, the only chance they have of avoiding this virus is to mask. That’s it.”
Florida, along with Arkansas and Louisiana, currently have the most new reported COVID-19 cases in the past week (based on population).
Though while the surge is mostly in the South, it could move north, Topol said.
Another concern is that the U.S. is unable to accurately track cases — as it is not monitoring how many breakthrough cases of vaccinated individuals are among the newly reported cases.
Topol said the U.S. is "flying blind," setting the nation up for an even more difficult experience. And reports that the vaccine is 99.99% effective against breakthroughs leading to hospitalizations are misleading Americans into a false sense of security,
The vaccine trials didn't turn up similar results, so the reports are "a bad, disingenuous presentation of data," Topol said.
The one silver lining, he noted, is that other countries have seen a short burn time for Delta surges, so it could be a few more weeks before the rise in cases tapers.
"I still think within three to four weeks we may see things get better," Topol said. "Everywhere the Delta is, it makes an abrupt turn at some point because it burns through. It's so efficient, and it doesn't find any more hosts."
But until then, the full picture is out of view.
"We don't know what's going on. We just know that it's bad," Topol said.


Sounds like Dr Topol needs to move to a country that can issue blanket mandates. Of course that would mean that he will have to surrender his right to dissent from the official government line...
 
Toadman005 said:
It enrages them people won’t comply, and they’re incredulous that we dare disobey. “Are t you scared yet?!?” No🥱
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All y'all know, as much as I am pro vaccine, I am even more anti totalitarian. Each of us has to make decisions based on our individual circumstances. Many of you who choose not to may well have come to a different decision if you were in my position, as I may have in yours....
 
Honest, curious question. If you choose not to get the vaccine or choose not to use a mask for a few weeks, and if that is because you do not trust the medical community, can you reconcile putting your faith in that same medical community for any other treatments you may need? I really don’t see a way to reconcile, but I’m willing to presume I’m overlooking something.
 
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Big 8 Rules said:
if that is because you do not trust the medical community, can you reconcile putting your faith in that same medical community for any other treatments you may get need?
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All I am saying is that I was in the VA system for thirty years and it is in my medical record that I would rather bleed to death in their parking lot than let the VA give me one stitch to save my life. BTW, that is directed at the administration of the VA and not the healthcare professionals they employ.
 
Big 8 Rules said:
Honest, curious question. If you choose not to get the vaccine or choose not to use a mask for a few weeks, and if that is because you do not trust the medical community, can you reconcile putting your faith in that same medical community for any other treatments you may get need? I really don’t see a way to reconcile, but I’m willing to presume I’m overlooking something.
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terrific question, however,
i'd suggest its not necessarily a distrust
of the medical community -
 
Big 8 Rules said:
Honest, curious question. If you choose not to get the vaccine or choose not to use a mask for a few weeks, and if that is because you do not trust the medical community, can you reconcile putting your faith in that same medical community for any other treatments you may get need? I really don’t see a way to reconcile, but I’m willing to presume I’m overlooking something.
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One big difference. Usually the medical profession relies on FDA approved medicine, not experimental. Even the military "once" waited on FDA approval.
 
Big 8 Rules said:
Honest, curious question. If you choose not to get the vaccine or choose not to use a mask for a few weeks, and if that is because you do not trust the medical community, can you reconcile putting your faith in that same medical community for any other treatments you may need? I really don’t see a way to reconcile, but I’m willing to presume I’m overlooking something.
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The good intentions of moral people duped.
 
I found this to be interesting.

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Americans with PhDs are most reluctant to get vaccinated against COVID (msn.com)

Researchers surveyed just over five million US adults in an online survey, with 10,000 reporting that they were educated to PhD level.
The report showed a surprising U-shaped correlation between willingness to get a Covid vaccine and education level - with the highest hesitancy among those least and most educated.
 
Big 8 Rules said:
Honest, curious question. If you choose not to get the vaccine or choose not to use a mask for a few weeks, and if that is because you do not trust the medical community, can you reconcile putting your faith in that same medical community for any other treatments you may need? I really don’t see a way to reconcile, but I’m willing to presume I’m overlooking something.
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I can count the number of times I went to the doctor in the last 30 years on half of one hand. I've always felt they called it medical "practice" for a reason. I ain't nobody's guinea pig.

Back 20 years ago when I was in the grocery business, I said, "If someone invented something you could eat once and never get hungry again, there's no way in hell I'd sell one." That's how I feel about the medical business. If they "cure" you, they just lost a customer.
 
OldDevilDawg said:
I found this to be interesting.

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Americans with PhDs are most reluctant to get vaccinated against COVID (msn.com)

Researchers surveyed just over five million US adults in an online survey, with 10,000 reporting that they were educated to PhD level.
The report showed a surprising U-shaped correlation between willingness to get a Covid vaccine and education level - with the highest hesitancy among those least and most educated.
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This doesn’t surprise me at all.
 
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