Only Semi Political. Vaccine related...

[PSUTE]

Kind of a conundrum for me. More comment below.




Dr Anthony Fauci, the top infectious diseases expert in the US, has warned it is too early to declare victory against Covid-19 as cases fall in the country to the lowest rates since last June.

“We don’t want to declare victory prematurely because we still have a ways to go,” Fauci told the Guardian in an interview. “But the more and more people that can get vaccinated, as a community, the community will be safer and safer.”

Related: Wisconsin: ground zero of America’s battle against vaccine hesitancy

The Memorial Holiday weekend marks the unofficial start of summer in the US, and for the at least 50% of the adult population that is fully vaccinated, it could usher in a season of maskless barbecues and trips to the beach.


Daily coronavirus cases have dropped 53% since 1 May, according to Johns Hopkins University data, but the rates are still high in the unvaccinated population and cases are growing globally. Already there have been more global cases in 2021 than in all of 2020, according to Johns Hopkins University data.

“As long as there is some degree of activity throughout the world, there’s always a danger of variants emerging and diminishing somewhat the effectiveness of our vaccines,” said Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (Niaid).

The US has been under pressure to provide greater aid in global vaccine efforts and has in recent weeks committed to donate 80m vaccines in addition to the $4bn donation its pledged to Covax, the global vaccine-sharing scheme. Fauci said more help could be on the way.


Comment: Reading the bold, why is it our problem to vaccinate the world? China Virus, China should fix it, but they're spending their money on taking over the world, starting with the South China Sea to starve out smaller countries. This is way beyond "One if by land two if by sea" days...

To all of you who are not vaccinated, I get where you're coming from. Now with more than 1/2 of the country vaccinated with no short term effects noted, some of the valid reasons for not doing so are in the wind. Perhaps you should rethink your position? Hate to lose friends...

 

[batchaps4me]

To all of you who are not vaccinated, I get where you're coming from. Now with more than 1/2 of the country vaccinated with no short term effects noted, some of the valid reasons for not doing so are in the wind. Perhaps you should rethink your position? Hate to lose friends...

I disagree with you on this point. Just as with everything else, there should be a cost benefit analysis for a decision to get the vaccine, made by the individual. IF one is under the age 30 without comorbidities, what are the risks of developing serious long term complications from the virus? IF one has had the virus, what are the risks of a breakthrough case compared to the vaccine? IF one does not have a lifestyle that exposes one to many crowded indoor activities, what are the risks? Many folks that are not vaccinated have nearly zero reasons to take the vaccine IF they follow the science.

 

[Hard2Bluff]

I disagree with you on this point. Just as with everything else, there should be a cost benefit analysis for a decision to get the vaccine, made by the individual. IF one is under the age 30 without comorbidities, what are the risks of developing serious long term complications from the virus? IF one has had the virus, what are the risks of a breakthrough case compared to the vaccine? IF one does not have a lifestyle that exposes one to many crowded indoor activities, what are the risks? Many folks that are not vaccinated have nearly zero reasons to take the vaccine IF they follow the science.

I got both doses of the Moderna, but Im older. Im lucky to still be here with the living folks like a lot of us on this board. With that said, I would be hesitant about getting it for children or anyone that is young, healthy and before child-bearing years. IMO FWIW.

 

[batchaps4me]

I got both doses of the Moderna, but Im older. Im lucky to still be here with the living folks like a lot of us on this board. With that said, I would be hesitant about getting it for children or anyone that is young, healthy and before child-bearing years. IMO FWIW.

I got both doses of Moderna as well and so has everyone in my household. My son got Covid-19 and refuses to get the vaccine and will not allow my grandchildren(all under 12 years old) to get vaccinated for this virus. I support that and would probably do the same. That does not mean that I hold distain for those that choose differently nor do I think they have decided wrongly. It really is a close decision.

 

[PSUTE]

I disagree with you on this point. Just as with everything else, there should be a cost benefit analysis for a decision to get the vaccine, made by the individual. IF one is under the age 30 without comorbidities, what are the risks of developing serious long term complications from the virus? IF one has had the virus, what are the risks of a breakthrough case compared to the vaccine? IF one does not have a lifestyle that exposes one to many crowded indoor activities, what are the risks? Many folks that are not vaccinated have nearly zero reasons to take the vaccine IF they follow the science.

Agree 100%, I said perhaps they should reconsider their decision in light of the success...

 

[batchaps4me]

Agree 100%, I said perhaps they should reconsider their decision in light of the success...

I understand and even appreciate the way you stated your position with the premise that it is a choice everyone should make for themselves without force or coercion. I have a few close family members that are very high risk of suffering severe cases/death were they to contact the virus but refuse to vaccinate. I wish they would get the vaccine but will never push them to do so. In their defense, their lifestyle does not lend itself to exposure so the benefits are minimized.

If I am reading the stats correctly, about .2% of deaths are in the under 24 age group ... that is less than 1000 deaths nationwide as of FEB21 which is far less than their deaths from automobile accident in the same timeframe ... and the trend is decidedly down. I just cannot see a cogent argument for this group to be vaccinated, especially by coercion. The same holds true for the 25-44 demographic as well but there are generally more of that group with comorbidities which alters the equation.

 

[Bullitt08]

In Alabama there have been ZERO like in 0 deaths in persons under the age of 24. So what is the big drive to get them punctured? That age group even if the get the flu have pretty easy sailing. Just let them add to herd immunity.

Personally I have no intention on getting punctured. I have had the Chinese flu and it was no biggie. Actually got three good days of rest out of it.

In my state there have been no face diapers, low vaccination rates and a decided drop in cases since MeMaw said no more face diapers.

 

[Bullitt08]

 

[Shower Fart]

I was infected and had very mild symptoms for a day, followed by a couple days where I slept a ton.

These vaccines aren’t FDA approved, they’re approved for emergency use. It’s not something I see as worthy of emergency measures. The VAERS database is a joke, doctors are refusing to report adverse effects, which is ironic considering everything used to be Covid.

The elderly and immuno-compromised in my circle are vaccinated, as they should be. I’m not getting something I don’t need when no one has any idea what ramifications it may have.

Btw, I spoke to a friend yesterday, he’s probably mid 50s, hadn’t talked in 6+ months. Just wanted to let me know he’s out of the hospital for 2 plus weeks now. I had no idea about it, but 2 days after his 2nd shot he had a heart attack. Coincidence they say. This guy lost 60 pounds and started living clean years ago. Maybe it’s related to his long past unhealthy lifestyle, or maybe it’s not.

After listening to Fauci contradict himself for 18 months I worried that he’s incompetent. After reading his emails in the last couple days, I know he’s a liar.

 

[RuffledFeathers]

South Carolina just finally bumped up to 37% vaccinated. Yesterday, I think, we had 112 new cases in the entire state. This includes several weeks of tourist season in Myrtle Beach and Charleston. Room reservations are up 20% from pre-virus.

Additionally, the entire state has had an explosion of people moving from up north to escape multiple issues, including the virus. House prices have increased by 20% and people are buying sight unseen. Cheaper to remodel than build new (lumber price spikes).

With all this influx of people from out of state we are about to drop below 100 new cases per day. I suspect we are very close to herd immunity, despite only about 35% vaccinated. I suspect the difference is asymptomatic people who have already had the virus and are now immune.

 

[DieSonneTeufeln]

This is a serious topic for many and I don’t want to make light of anything said here but anecdotally Coors Light seems to kill the virus. Anyone here have a few million bucks for a clinical trial?

 

[TechRaiderRider]

This is a serious topic for many and I don’t want to make light of anything said here but anecdotally Coors Light seems to kill the virus. Anyone here have a few million bucks for a clinical trial?

it might take that much -
or, you could drink actual beer,
and a lot less -

cheers!

 

[PSUTE]

Thought I'd drop this for the fence sitters. If you are a dedicated antivaxer, not gonna change your mind. May make you think and reassess your risk/benefit analysis...

Every single person in Maryland who died of COVID-19 in June was unvaccinated. The pattern applies to other states, too.

Every single person in Maryland who died of COVID-19 in June was unvaccinated. The pattern applies to other states, too.

Last month, 130 people in Maryland died from COVID-19. All of them were unvaccinated, according to the governor.

www.yahoo.com

 

[GamecocksAnonymous]

South Carolina just finally bumped up to 37% vaccinated. Yesterday, I think, we had 112 new cases in the entire state. This includes several weeks of tourist season in Myrtle Beach and Charleston. Room reservations are up 20% from pre-virus.

Additionally, the entire state has had an explosion of people moving from up north to escape multiple issues, including the virus. House prices have increased by 20% and people are buying sight unseen. Cheaper to remodel than build new (lumber price spikes).

With all this influx of people from out of state we are about to drop below 100 new cases per day. I suspect we are very close to herd immunity, despite only about 35% vaccinated. I suspect the difference is asymptomatic people who have already had the virus and are now immune.

Eh, cases are edging up in SC, and the Delta variant is becoming the dominant strain. It's over 200% more contagious than the original. There's going to be another flare-up here, same as some of the other SEC states (Missourah, Bama, Arky, LA). Some folks gotta learn the hard way.

On the upside, there's less people dying of it. I think it might be ripping through the young-and-stupid demo.

As far as the northern immigrants go:

 

[batchaps4me]

On the upside, there's less people dying of it. I think it might be ripping through the young-and-stupid demo.

IMHO your stance is self conflicting. IF it is the "young and stupid" catching the virus and deaths/hospitalizations are still low then they are not as stupid as you claim. At least they are not stupid enough to take unnecessary medicines for conditions that statistically do not threaten them in a real way. BTW I am vaccinated but were I under 30 and in good health, I would not be.

 

[RTR...USN (ret)]

My thirty something daughter had the vaccine. It’s also suspected she had a mild dose of COVID. She is now being treated for a serious condition called tachycardia myocarditis, basically inflammation of the heart muscle causing her heart to race at times and flutter at others. It is listed as a potential side effect of the vaccination and the virus in young adults. Scary as hell!

 

[GamecocksAnonymous]

IMHO your stance is self conflicting. IF it is the "young and stupid" catching the virus and deaths/hospitalizations are still low then they are not as stupid as you claim.

"Young and stupid" would also apply to not taking precautions while vaccinated, with a much more contagious mutation floating around. Hitting the bars and parties, they're asking to get Covid. It wouldn't be so stupid if they were vax'ed.

At least they are not stupid enough to take unnecessary medicines for conditions that statistically do not threaten them in a real way.

Getting Covid is almost assuredly going to cause worse health effects than a vaccine. There have been cases of myocarditis in people who got the virus, too, including athletes. Cases of long-term covid in people under 30, where the immune function stays in overdrive for months. And there have been people in that age group hospitalized, or died. Covid sucks.

So, with herd immunity estimated to be between 80-90%, some Z'ers are playin' hard with a 10-20% chance of avoiding the virus, as if that's realistic. I gotta stick with my original opinion, think that's stupid.

 

[Bullitt08]

Update. One of my fairly young as in forties co-worker got his second shot a couple of weeks ago. Three days later he was in an ambulance being transported to the ICU for the cardiac wing of a larger hospital as they thought he had a massive heart attack. Nope. Complications and reactions to the vaccine.

Count me out,

 

[RuffledFeathers]

Eh, cases are edging up in SC, and the Delta variant is becoming the dominant strain. It's over 200% more contagious than the original. There's going to be another flare-up here, same as some of the other SEC states (Missourah, Bama, Arky, LA). Some folks gotta learn the hard way.

On the upside, there's less people dying of it. I think it might be ripping through the young-and-stupid demo.

As far as the northern immigrants go:

LOL, "edging up" is an interesting choice of words. Over a month ago, when I made that post there were 112 new cases in a state of almost 5.2 million. This week, 116 new cases were reported. There are a few reports of over 200 new cases, but those are typically weekend reports including multiple days combined.

Several rural counties, including my own, have had weeks of zero new cases. Of course, if you go from 0 new cases to 1 new case, then ON NO!, THAT'S A 100% INCREASE IN NEW CASES! Imagine if a household of 4 became new cases, it's the end of the world!

Ignore percent increases, look at the raw numbers. If the last month was an increase of 112 to 112, 000, that's cause for alarm. If there are no exponential leaps, then things are relatively calm and manageable.

We are now similar to yearly flu cases, where one hears about an occasional case of it, but nothing to be alarmed about. My own mother spent 6 days in the hospital with the flu, two years before covid hit. It happens to the vulnerable.

The difference between the explosion of the variant virus in India and the non-explosion in SC is apparently herd immunity. We are apparently near the "83 to 94%" (per google) of the population requirement to reach herd immunity, despite only half that number having been vaccinated.

 

[Copejunkie]

Im in my forties, I ain't getting it. Hell I probably already had it, covid that is, as far as I'm concerned the kids running around "being young and stupid" are doing themselves and society in general a favor. Get the antibodies naturally and herd immunity is here. Most of them won't even know they had it. Sorry, but when they have a very small chance of having side effects from the virus, and an even smaller chance of dying why get vaccinated and run the risk of side affects from the vaccination. And don't give me the "if you're not vaccinated you're selfish stance", the people who don't want to take the chance of getting it are already vaccinated so they shouldn't worry about what others do, they are supposedly protected are they not.