Only Semi Political. Vaccine related...

GamecocksAnonymous said:
"Young and stupid" would also apply to not taking precautions while vaccinated, with a much more contagious mutation floating around. Hitting the bars and parties, they're asking to get Covid. It wouldn't be so stupid if they were vax'ed.
Getting Covid is almost assuredly going to cause worse health effects than a vaccine. There have been cases of myocarditis in people who got the virus, too, including athletes. Cases of long-term covid in people under 30, where the immune function stays in overdrive for months. And there have been people in that age group hospitalized, or died. Covid sucks.

So, with herd immunity estimated to be between 80-90%, some Z'ers are playin' hard with a 10-20% chance of avoiding the virus, as if that's realistic. I gotta stick with my original opinion, think that's stupid.
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Only 915 people aged 0-34 have died from the virus in our country and the vast majority of them have comorbidities. If you break down the covid deaths into demographics, you will find that more school aged kids have died in traffic accidents than covid. Most youngsters that get the virus will be asymptomatic and/or mild symptoms, not life threatening unless they have the comorbidities. JMHO you are showing unwarranted fear instead of following the science.
 
TechRaiderRider said:
how do you know this?
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How Do We Know the COVID-19 Vaccine Won’t Have Long-Term Side Effects? (muhealth.org)
History shows this is a common pattern. When new vaccines are released, the unknown side effects, if any, show up within two months of vaccination. This history goes back to at least the 1960s with the oral polio vaccine and examples continue through today.
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How Dr. Arwady Responds to Those Worried About Long-Term Side Effects With Vaccines – NBC Chicago
"I usually start by saying, first of all, there are no vaccines that we know of that have long term side effects," she said. "So, there are vaccines that we have studied for years and years and years and years and years... when they're approved, they're not known to give long-term side effects. Where we really are concerned about side effects is especially right at the beginning there, and then typically where you see a problem, it will happen in the first couple of weeks, even with a brand new vaccine. I mean, when they're studying it, very, very, very rare to have anything coming after that time. And in fact, that's part of why the FDA wants the six months of monitoring because if you've monitored somebody for six months afterwards, really there's no biological reason that you would expect there to be any long-term concerns from the vaccine."
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UAB doctor says there are 3 things you need to know about COVID vaccines (wbrc.com)
“Vaccines generally don’t have long-term side effects. You don’t get side effects that happen later on that you didn’t have early on. So, you may have a side effect that happens early that could linger long-term, but you don’t get something that happens later on,” Dr. Goepfert explained.
He admitted there are side effect associated with all vaccines, but the most common side effects with COVID shots typically show up within a few weeks.
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batchaps4me said:
Only 915 people aged 0-34 have died from the virus in our country and the vast majority of them have comorbidities. If you break down the covid deaths into demographics, you will find that more school aged kids have died in traffic accidents than covid. Most youngsters that get the virus will be asymptomatic and/or mild symptoms, not life threatening unless they have the comorbidities. JMHO you are showing unwarranted fear instead of following the science.
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Lol, why would I have "fear"? Been vax'd, I'm rational, and I'm sure it's not going to kill me. The shot just causes your immune system to produce antibodies and these t-cell things that basically act as a patrol.

You ignored the part of the argument that detailed other outcomes besides death. But if the Delta variant rolls through the unvaccinated, it doesn't really bother me that much, especially if it gets us to HI quicker. The only concern that I have is that members of the (stupid) 17-29 group prolong the virus, giving it a chance to create an escape variant, and this whole thing basically starts over. So, from that angle, do you feel that they have some social responsibility to help eliminate the possibility?
 
GamecocksAnonymous said:
"Young and stupid" would also apply to not taking precautions while vaccinated, with a much more contagious mutation floating around. Hitting the bars and parties, they're asking to get Covid. It wouldn't be so stupid if they were vax'ed.
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You are making a mistake because the majority of covid cases are asymptomatic and the vast majority of covid cases result in no to mild symptoms. Last year more kids under 18 died in auto accidents than covid. It's like cooties ... young people catch them but it has no immediate or long term effects. I say to you that the youngsters getting out and catching covid does far more good than harm to themselves and society in general. You are acting like every case of covid results in horrible symptoms which in incredibly wrong.

GamecocksAnonymous said:
Getting Covid is almost assuredly going to cause worse health effects than a vaccine.
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That is wildly wrong. The majority of covid cases are asymptomatic, and the vast majority never cross the mild/moderate barrier. IF you are smart enough to know that your demographic/comorbidities do not lend itself to severe cases, the risk assessment is different, do you agree?
 
batchaps4me said:
You are making a mistake because the majority of covid cases are asymptomatic and the vast majority of covid cases result in no to mild symptoms.
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That article talks about undiagnosed cases, and doesn't contain the word 'asymptomatic'. There were millions who had symptoms and never went to the doctor, or to get tested.

From searching, the range of estimates for asymptomatic cases looks to be 15% to more extreme ones of 40%. There is absolutely zero proof that the majority of cases are asymptomatic.
Last year more kids under 18 died in auto accidents than covid.
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Again, there are other bad outcomes than death. And you can't spread car accidents by coughing.

A more valid analogy would be drunk driving, where you knowingly expose others to risk.
It's like cooties ... young people catch them but it has no immediate or long term effects. I say to you that the youngsters getting out and catching covid does far more good than harm to themselves and society in general.
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Wow. Than just getting vaccinated so there's basically no known downside (long-term) risk? I don't think so.
You are acting like every case of covid results in horrible symptoms which in incredibly wrong.
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No, certainly there are asymptomatic cases.
IF you are smart enough to know that your demographic/comorbidities do not lend itself to severe cases, the risk assessment is different, do you agree?
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Again, the younger cohort keeping the virus going by spreading it increases the risk of an escape variant. You didn't address my question about this. It's not just about them.
 
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GamecocksAnonymous said:
From searching, the range of estimates for asymptomatic cases looks to be 15% to more extreme ones of 40%. There is absolutely zero proof that the majority of cases are asymptomatic.
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incorrect -

In four U.S. state prisons, nearly 3,300 inmates test positive for coronavirus -- 96% without symptoms | Reuters

www.reuters.com

In four U.S. state prisons, nearly 3,300 inmates test positive for coronavirus -- 96% without symptoms

When the first cases of the new coronavirus surfaced in Ohio’s prisons, the director in charge felt like she was fighting a ghost.
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GamecocksAnonymous said:
Lol, you think only 1/25th of Covid cases are showing symptoms nationwide?

And go get vaccinated, broski. It doesn't hurt that bad, I swear.
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no, broseph -
you said:

GamecocksAnonymous said:
There is absolutely zero proof that the majority of cases are asymptomatic.
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and i gave you some evidence,
from rueters, even -

no sir, i won't be getting the mRNA concoction -
i stand a better chance of dyin on my chopper,
and i aint gonna stop ridin that either -

question:
why the crusade?
are you employed by the fed or somethin?
 
TechRaiderRider said:
no, broseph -
you said:


and i gave you some evidence,
from rueters, even -
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That is not evidence about the general population, and no one in their right mind believes that only 4% of cases are symptomatic. Come on.
question:
why the crusade?
are you employed by the fed or somethin?
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Nah, I just know how small the risk is, and I want this shit to be over and normalcy to return. I especially don't want some dipsticks in Arkansas/wherever incubating a variant that sets the whole (pandemic) thing in motion again.

I was hesitant at first when they were putting the pedal down on the vax development. But once I read up on the actual immune response that is developed, and that vaccines don't generally do long-term harm, my rational mind overcame those doubts.

Alright, I feel like u guise have learned enough for 1 thread, I'm outta this one. Need to set up a Patreon for spectacular content like this. :cool:
 
GamecocksAnonymous said:
That article talks about undiagnosed cases, and doesn't contain the word 'asymptomatic'. There were millions who had symptoms and never went to the doctor, or to get tested.
From searching, the range of estimates for asymptomatic cases looks to be 15% to more extreme ones of 40%. There is absolutely zero proof that the majority of cases are asymptomatic.
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Your ranges appear to based on the overall population and not just the Gen Z demographic that we were specifically discussing. Do you have a link(s)? We need to see apples to apples.

GamecocksAnonymous said:
Again, there are other bad outcomes than death. And you can't spread car accidents by coughing.

A more valid analogy would be drunk driving, where you knowingly expose others to risk.
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Again, apples to apples: deaths are not the only bad outcome of car wrecks either. The analogy is fine unless you think that you are not exposing yourself and others to risks when driving sober.

GamecocksAnonymous said:
Again, the younger cohort keeping the virus going by spreading it increases the risk of an escape variant. You didn't address my question about this. It's not just about them.
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Only if you prolong the time the virus has to mutate by keeping people with the lowest risk of serious lasting effects from contracting the virus and achieving herd immunity.
 
GamecocksAnonymous said:
That is not evidence about the general population, and no one in their right mind believes that only 4% of cases are symptomatic. Come on.
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ok, how bout this study in Iceland,
as reported by CNN:

Dr. Kári Stefánsson told CNN that around 50% of those who tested positive said they were asymptomatic

www.cnn.com

Iceland lab's testing suggests 50% of coronavirus cases have no symptoms | CNN

There's a lot about Iceland that other countries could envy: Its spectacular natural surroundings, its place among the world's happiest countries, and, now, its large-scale testing for the novel coronavirus, which could influence how the world understands the outbreak.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
 
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